Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiation (Was: Beyond the monolithic client protocol endpoint)
Suzy Deffeyes <suzyq@pobox.com> Mon, 07 December 2009 23:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiation (Was: Beyond the
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> > * In the latter case (the service not knowning about it) the viewer > needs to fall back to the old style map on opensim and to a hardcoded > S3 url on Second Life (which DOES support this capability, but just > doesn't know about the "capability" url itself). > > * Once Linden Lab (or any other grid that will implement the same > way that map works) stops supporting the "old style map", there > is no way to tell the client explicit that THIS "feature" (the > new way of how map works) is now mandatory, other than the > existing method of requiring a minimal *viewer* version... which > of course only works for the few viewers that are supported this > way and which is a very crude way to state that one feature is > now mandatory (bound to fail once there are lots of features > like this to be negotiated). > So in the map tile case you mention, if the viewer gets a cap to the new way of fetching tiles, it wouldn't try to do the old way. In this particular case, it seems like getting a cap for http fetch of map tiles deprecates client use of the old mechanism. "Mandatory" is something that should be dictated by a VWRAP spec version number. So in version 1.0 the map capability is not mandatory, and when we rev the version to 1.1, we might decide to make it mandatory. A viewer supporting version 1.1 of the spec could reliably ditch the old code. One thing I do ponder that might be related is how do I specify/decide that I do *not* want to trust a specific packet type from the region. For instance, if I get a cap for inventory operations from my agent domain, then maybe I don't want to trust UDP packets related to Inventory that I get from Joe's Prim Ripper region. Will it always be obvious what the desired behavior in the viewer is? In the map tile example, should I blow off any map tile packets i get from a region that also claims to support the map tile HTTP cap? Suzy Deffeyes/Pixel Gausman IBM
- [ogpx] Beyond the monolithic client protocol endp… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Beyond the monolithic client protocol … Lawson English
- Re: [ogpx] Beyond the monolithic client protocol … Morgaine
- [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiation (… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Beyond the monolithic client protocol … David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Beyond the monolithic client protocol … Han Sontse
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] The Urgent Need For Protocol Negotiati… Morgaine