Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> Sun, 30 August 2009 23:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
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I think that any effort to work on the final wording should be stopped until we finally agree on what "virtual world" means... I understand that you don't want to define what virtual world means, in which case you shouldn't use it at all in the charter and also not in the protocol name (VWrap). There are several levels of 'locations' in an SL-like whatever: First, the words that are already in use by the community: 1) simulator 2) estate 3) region 4) land 5) island 6) virtual world Then the locations that we need terms for to be able to even TALK about them: A) A smallest partition B) A collection of adjacent A's run by a single administration C) A collection of adjecent B's run by different administrations (which very likely use the same TOS etc) D) A collection of C's that are not adjacent but still fall under the same TOS etc. E) A collection of D's that have totally different administrations and possibly different TOS etc, but which interoperate. F) The whole of all E's that do not interoperate, but still use VWRAP. G) The rest that use the term "virtual world", but do not use VWRAP. MMOX and WoW is part of G. I consider that not relevant as it should be clear by now what is part of G and what not. Meadhbh, do you disagree with my list(s)? Anything you want to add, or change my rough definitions of things? Please don't reply with "we don't want to define this" :p We NEED to define this, or we can't TALK about this! -- Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> PS I hope it should be clear by now: the problem we are having is that you call 'E' "a virtual world", while Morgaine, Kari, me and others want to call 'D' "virtual world". Moreover, you do as if D or E do not exist, so that we will not be able to talk about them separately later on :/ You might convince me to call 'E' "virtual world", but then we need a well defined term for 'D' in order to communicate about D, too. In my previous post I proposed to use "Galaxy" for E.
- [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dan Olivares
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine