Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
Kari Lippert <kari.lippert@gmail.com> Mon, 31 August 2009 13:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
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But isn't the client just another endpoint? I didn't see that a distinction was being made referring only to server endpoints. Kari On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Carlo Wood<carlo@alinoe.com> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:27:05AM +0100, Morgaine wrote: >> As an alternative, I propose a simpler and much more flexible approach: define >> virtual worlds as anything that implements the required endpoints of the VWRAP >> protocol. We do not need to know anything else about them. This lets the >> people who actually design the virtual worlds decide what constitutes a virtual >> world. The only thing that interests us is that these "virtual worlds" >> implement the VWRAP endpointst. > > Very smart :) > > I have just one side note here; if someone creates a 'D' (sorry, can't use > "virtual world" until we agree) using VWRAP internally too, again confusion > might arise about the exact boundary of that "virtual world" (it could be > the 'C's in that case). > > But you are very correct to realize that one aspect of a region domain > run by a "single administration" (could be multiple administrations that > work very close together: a 'D' thus) is that for all we care they use > a different protocol inter-world (or extensions to VWRAP). Therefore > you can replace my definition ("administrative boundary") very well > with "VWRAP endpoints", without setting demands on internally used > protocol. > > HOWEVER... > > the above only applies to server-server protocol, not to server-client > protocol: "shared experience" is of utmost importance; part of our > standardization efforts is in order to make it possible for viewers > to represent "the world"/galaxy as much as possible in a consistent > way to different users, which gives rize to the need of a consistent > client protocol! > > Therefore, VWRAP would not only describe the protocol between the > end-points of a virtual world ('D') but also the protocol used to > communicate with viewers (clients). Though, I guess you can see > that interface as an external boundary too. > > PS. The only way to keep wild growth at bay in the client-server protocol > area, where, I expect, different 'D's (virtual worlds) will add extensions > and start to release their own viewers to support those, is to add > support for protocol negotion in VWRAP. Without support, it will still > happen, but out of control, and become a total mess. > > -- > Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> > _______________________________________________ > ogpx mailing list > ogpx@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx >
- [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dan Olivares
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine