Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents..
Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> Sat, 03 October 2009 16:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents..
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ack. totally forgot. some of the refinements i was talking about above, made it into this draft: http://secondlifegrid.net.s3.amazonaws.com/docs/specs/OGP-Teleport_Draft_5.html which also reminds me, i think the following page has references to the most up to date pre-IETF drafts: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Grid_Protocol and we have some diagrams on this page: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OGP_Explained not all of the diagrams are up to date (especially authentication, which has changed A LOT) but it should give you some ideas about the flows. -cheers -meadhbh / infinity On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> wrote: > yup vaughn. that's the teleport draft we made after the 2008 interop > tests. if i remember correctly, we didn't modify the code on vaak to > follow this draft. and... we found a few things we wanted to change > from this draft over the last year. > > but i think that about 99% of what's in the text on the wiki is going > to show up in the teleport internet draft. stuff we've said we want to > add includes discussion on policy and where policy enforcement points > might be, as well as being slightly more clear where region caps for > teleport come from and the relationship between teleport caps (that > are given to agent domains the region trusts) and long lived > information URLs (that may or may not be capabilities) with public > information about the region. > > -cheers > -meadhbh > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Vaughn Deluca <vaughn.deluca@gmail.com> wrote: >> In an attempt to add more details in the deployment patterns I started to do >> some homework. I found this: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OGP_Teleport_Draft_3 >> Is there a newer version of this document? Is it more or less safe to use >> this as an starting point of my thinking about OGP/VWRAP? >> -Vaughn >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Meadhbh Siobhan <meadhbh.siobhan@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> okay. discuss away! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Morgaine >>> <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> > A good way of proceeding would be to discuss David's deployment patterns >>> > first, before cranking out a new intro document. After all, there is a >>> > lot >>> > of good material there, hinting at many useful use cases. Then any new >>> > document would have a chance of reflecting the viewpoints of the group >>> > so >>> > far, and building on the consensus. >>> > >>> > Ref: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levine-ogp-layering-00 >>> > >>> > >>> > Morgaine. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ====================================== >>> > >>> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Infinity Linden >>> > <infinity@lindenlab.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> yup. we're actually in the process of adding the deployment pattern >>> >> stuff to the intro doc. great minds think alike! >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Vaughn Deluca >>> >> <vaughn.deluca@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Infinity >>> >> > Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> hey peeps... >>> >> >> >>> >> >> i was thinking about it, and came up with a slightly different list >>> >> >> of >>> >> >> documents: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> * intro and goals (used to be called intro and requirements) >>> >> >> * abstract type system (used to be called LLSD) >>> >> >> * foundations >>> >> >> * the VWRAP trust/security model >>> >> >> * virtual world description format >>> >> >> * client application launch message >>> >> >> * agent presence establishment >>> >> >> * avatar format >>> >> >> * asset format and access >>> >> >> * chat/voice establishment >>> >> >> * user profile access >>> >> >> * time sensitive messages >>> >> >> >>> >> >> [snip] >>> >> >> >>> >> >> * intro and goals ( based on >>> >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamrick-ogp-intro-00 ) >>> >> >> * social context of virtual worlds - why they're interesting >>> >> >> * very high level description of virtual world characteristics - >>> >> >> not >>> >> >> what a virtual world "is" as much as features of a virtual world you >>> >> >> may not have thought about. >>> >> >> * how VWRAP virtual worlds differ from other virtual worlds - how >>> >> >> OpenSim and SecondLife differ on a technology level from WoW >>> >> >> * protocol objectives and goals - specific features of the protocol >>> >> >> >>> >> >> * this doc is it's own document because we think there's a need for >>> >> >> a lot of background, and it's mostly non-technical. >>> >> > >>> >> > [snip ] >>> >> > I would suggest to add some stuff >>> >> > from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levine-ogp-layering >>> >> > The use cases given there would come a long way to clarify the >>> >> > current >>> >> > confusion over what we can call a virtual world and what the main >>> >> > seat >>> >> > of >>> >> > policy is in these cases. >>> >> > Vaughn >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> ogpx mailing list >>> >> ogpx@ietf.org >>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > ogpx mailing list >>> > ogpx@ietf.org >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx >>> > >>> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ogpx mailing list >> ogpx@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx >> >> >
- [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol negotiation and evolution Infinity Linden
- [ogpx] Protocol negotiation and evolution Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] refined idea for documents.. Vaughn Deluca