Re: [ogpx] Proposal: Change OGPX to...

David W Levine <dwl@us.ibm.com> Fri, 21 August 2009 17:44 UTC

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ogpx-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 08/21/2009 01:26:40 PM:

> Joshua Bell <josh@lindenlab.com> 
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> [ogpx] Proposal: Change OGPX to...
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> Hey gang,
> 
> One of the charter issues we identified coming out of Stockholm was
> the name (for both the group and protocol suite). Open Grid Protocol
> (OGP)" is historical, used to describe interop trials from 2008, and
> the name was carried forward to the BoF/mailing list (with an "X" for
> good measure). Linden Lab employees, OpenSim developers and Second
> Life residents frequently use the term "grid" to describe the
> collection of systems responsible for providing virtual world
> services, even if that set of systems would more accurately be
> described by the terms "cluster" or "cloud" (or term-of-the-week...),
> playing off the grid-like organization of regions on a map.
> 
> We received repeated feedback that "grid" was confusing, both on the
> list and at Stockholm, in the broader context of the IETF. This was
> underscored by at least one person who attended the OGPX BoF in
> Stockholm saying they anticipated hearing a discussion about grid and
> cloud computing services.
> 
> A few alternatives to OGP have been offered, such as "Region Access
> Protocol (RAP)" and "Agent / Region Interaction Protocol (ARIP)". The
> former discounts the importance of the agent oriented aspects of the
> protocol, the latter discounts the "access" aspect of the protocol
> which underscores the RESTful nature of the conceptual objects on
> either end of a protocol transaction.
> 
> From off-list discussions, here are some new suggestions:
> 
> * "Agent Based Open Virtual Environments (ABOVE)" - (as a group name?)
> * "Open Virtual Entity and Region (OVER)" - (as a protocol name?)
> 
> These have the advantage of being concise, fairly accurate,
> pronounceable, keeping "Virtual" in the name, slightly "cute" but not
> overly so. They are not humorous or ironic and don't reference
> pop-culture. They don't overload "IP" (yay) and avoid "P" in the name
> (the dreaded "ATM machine" syndrome.)
> 
> Taking these as serious suggestions, could we get rough consensus on
> either/both of these? Last call for objections/alternatives?

Above seems quite good. Over.. OVER.. well... I am dreading having to 
type:

"When we run OVER over XMPP" 

I have shades of the movie Airplane. "Re: [ABOVE] Running OVER over HTTP 
under CentOs" 

That said,  quite like Above, and could live with Over. Frankly at this 
point, I can
live with almost any name, as long as it doesn't requires a special 
keyboard to type it. 


- David / Zha


> 
> (To maintain continuity of discussion, we should keep the OGPX mailing
> list and other trappings until an actual working group is chartered.)
+1

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