Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition
Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> Thu, 27 August 2009 11:01 UTC
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From: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:18:44PM -0700, Infinity Linden wrote: > Within a single virtual world, avatars > exist in at most one location in a shared virtual space. ... > Adjacent locations in virtual worlds accessible by this protocol may > be explicitly partitioned into "regions" to facilitate the > computational and communication load balancing required to simulate > the virtual environment. Such virtual worlds may consist of regions > administered by distinct organizations. I see you insist on using a definition for "virtual world" that does NOT mean "different administrations", but rather means "all reachable regions". However, > Though these virtual worlds > may be partitioned, they remain "un-sharded;" all inhabitants and > objects in a particular location in a virtual world may initiate > interaction with all other inhabitants and objects in that location; > and, service endpoint addresses refer to at most one location. The > state of a virtual world is independent of the client applications > that access it and may persist between user sessions. this paragraph reveals the actual (or additional?) view of what "a virtual world" is: A virtual world are all regions that collaborate under a single avatar domain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from this I conclude that your vision of a virtual world is a collection of regions that all use a single point (and administration) for authentication of a users avatar (and inventory). For example, one logs in with the agent domain run by LL and than can move between regions and IM every other avatar in "the virtual world" (using the handle of this agent domain provider). If one would prefer to login with a different agent domain provider, it would not be possible to IM every other avatar, or have other interactions such as 'giving' inventory objects to other avatars, and thus one would not be able to be part of the same virtual world. > Regions and Services implemented according to the specifications may > be deployed by separate organizations with varying policies and trust > domains. The OGPX protocols will provide the mechanisms for these > virtual world services to interoperate, when permitted by policy and > shared trust domains. This paragraph is OK. > The protocol should describe interaction semantics for these virtual > worlds, independent of transport, leveraging existing standards where > practical. It should define interoperability expectations for server > to server interactions as well as client-server interactions. Though > the protocol is independent of transport, early interoperability > trials used HTTP(S) for non-real-time messages. The working group will > define specific features that must be replicated in other transports > and will define the use of HTTP(S) as a transport of protocol > messages. OK > Foundational components of the protocol include the publication of: > > * an abstract type system, suitable for describing the application > protocol in an implementation neutral manner, > > * a security model describing trust relationships between > participating entities, > > * guidelines for the use of existing authentication and > confidentiality mechanisms, > > * an application-layer protocol for establishing the user's avatar > in a virtual world, > > * an application-layer protocol for moving a user's avatar between > adjacent and remote locations in a virtual world, > > * format descriptions for objects and avatars in a virtual world, > and > > * an application-layer protocol for identifying agents, and > requesting information about them. > > The protocol defined by this group will carry information about the > virtual environment, its contents and its inhabitants. It is an > application layer protocol, independent of transport, based partially > on these previously published internet drafts: > > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamrick-ogp-intro > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamrick-llsd > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamrick-ogp-auth > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamrick-ogp-launch > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lentczner-ogp-base > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levine-ogp-clientcap > * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levine-ogp-layering > > Goals and Milestones: > > * October 2009 "Introduction and Goals" to the IESG as an > Informational RFC > > * October 2009 "Abstract Type System for the Transmission of Dynamic > Structured Data" to the IESG as Proposed Standard > > * October 2010 "Foundational Concepts and Transport Expectations" to > the IESG as Proposed Standard > > * February 2010 "Guidelines for Host Authentication" to the IESG as > an Informational RFC > > * February 2010 "Service Establishment" to the IESG as Proposed > Standard > > * February 2010 "Client Application Launch Message" to the IESG as > an Informational RFC > > * February 2010 "Simulation Presence Establishment" to the IESG as > Proposed Standard > > * June 2010 "Primitive Object Format" to the IESG as Proposed > Standard > > * June 2010 "Digital Asset Access" to the IESG as Proposed Standard > > * June 2010 "Entity Identifiers" to the IESG as Proposed standard > _______________________________________________ > ogpx mailing list > ogpx@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx -- Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
- [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] OGPX Draft Charter, 2009 08 25 edition Carlo Wood