Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter

A stand alone region in OpenSim effectively has all the services hosted 
locally. The services may have not external exposure (Tho, if you run a 
multi-region, standalone deployment that's a fuzzy statement)  The Client 
does auth, fetches inventory and assets and gets region services from the 
single executable. The regions simply talk to all those services locally. 
As the ROBUST stuff rolls through OpenSim, I think the distinction is 
likely to become even muddier. 

- David
~ Zha

Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> 
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Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net>
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Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01

isn't an OpenSim region running in standalone mode like having all the
services locally. i mean... it's beginning to sound like a petty
distinction, but in order to serve up information about the user or
the region or assets in the region, you have to have SOMETHING that
behaves like a user server or asset server. i always looked at it as
being that all these "services" were local to the machine, not that
they didn't really exist.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Well, no, thats not quite how OpenSim works.
>
> A standalone OpenSim region with no grid services is probably loosely
> equivalent to no AD and I think that was the mode in which the tests 
were
> performed with the IBM OpenSim region and OGP a year or so ago.
>
> An OpenSim region running in grid mode is connected to a number of 
servers
> that connect the grid together. These are a UserServer, GridServer,
> Asset/InventoryServer and MessagingServer. So these are *more or less*
> equivalent to AD notions.
>
> Charles
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joshua Bell <josh@lindenlab.com>
> To: ogpx@ietf.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:57:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Morgaine 
<morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Your next step is to realize that, for two structurally identical 
worlds,
>> if the seat of policy of one lies in its AD, then the seat of policy of 
the
>> other also lies in its AD.  Therefore your statement needs to be 
modified to
>> the following:
>>
>> IMHO, it should be apparent that both the AD of the source world and 
the
>> RD and AD of the destination world all need to make policy decisions.
>>
>
> I don't agree with this at all.
>
> A VW service provider could operate a region domain with no agent 
domain. I
> believe this is VERY LOOSELY equivalent to running an OpenSim instance 
in
> Grid mode today (but I can't state that definitively) the person running 
the
> sim is basically running just the region, and relying on someone else's
> agent domain (agent-centric services).
>
> Similarly, BigGiantCo could operate an agent domain for their employs 
(as a
> bolt-on to their enterprise LDAP server, say) with no region domain.
>
> A BigGiantCo employee can visit the RD-only VW - the AD talks to the RD 
to
> place the agent in a region. There aren't necessarily any other RDs or 
ADs
> involved at all. This is where protocol and policy come into play - the 
AD
> needs to communicate with and trust the RD and vice versa (even if 
that's
> nil-trust).
>
>
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