Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01
David W Levine <dwl@us.ibm.com> Thu, 01 October 2009 22:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01
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A stand alone region in OpenSim effectively has all the services hosted locally. The services may have not external exposure (Tho, if you run a multi-region, standalone deployment that's a fuzzy statement) The Client does auth, fetches inventory and assets and gets region services from the single executable. The regions simply talk to all those services locally. As the ROBUST stuff rolls through OpenSim, I think the distinction is likely to become even muddier. - David ~ Zha Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> Sent by: ogpx-bounces@ietf.org 10/01/2009 06:18 PM To Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net> cc ogpx@ietf.org Subject Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 isn't an OpenSim region running in standalone mode like having all the services locally. i mean... it's beginning to sound like a petty distinction, but in order to serve up information about the user or the region or assets in the region, you have to have SOMETHING that behaves like a user server or asset server. i always looked at it as being that all these "services" were local to the machine, not that they didn't really exist. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net> wrote: > Well, no, thats not quite how OpenSim works. > > A standalone OpenSim region with no grid services is probably loosely > equivalent to no AD and I think that was the mode in which the tests were > performed with the IBM OpenSim region and OGP a year or so ago. > > An OpenSim region running in grid mode is connected to a number of servers > that connect the grid together. These are a UserServer, GridServer, > Asset/InventoryServer and MessagingServer. So these are *more or less* > equivalent to AD notions. > > Charles > > ________________________________ > From: Joshua Bell <josh@lindenlab.com> > To: ogpx@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:57:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> > wrote: >> >> Your next step is to realize that, for two structurally identical worlds, >> if the seat of policy of one lies in its AD, then the seat of policy of the >> other also lies in its AD. Therefore your statement needs to be modified to >> the following: >> >> IMHO, it should be apparent that both the AD of the source world and the >> RD and AD of the destination world all need to make policy decisions. >> > > I don't agree with this at all. > > A VW service provider could operate a region domain with no agent domain. I > believe this is VERY LOOSELY equivalent to running an OpenSim instance in > Grid mode today (but I can't state that definitively) the person running the > sim is basically running just the region, and relying on someone else's > agent domain (agent-centric services). > > Similarly, BigGiantCo could operate an agent domain for their employs (as a > bolt-on to their enterprise LDAP server, say) with no region domain. > > A BigGiantCo employee can visit the RD-only VW - the AD talks to the RD to > place the agent in a region. There aren't necessarily any other RDs or ADs > involved at all. This is where protocol and policy come into play - the AD > needs to communicate with and trust the RD and vice versa (even if that's > nil-trust). > > > _______________________________________________ > ogpx mailing list > ogpx@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx > > _______________________________________________ ogpx mailing list ogpx@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Kari Lippert
- [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- [ogpx] Fwd: VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Fwd: VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Fwd: VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] Fwd: VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 SM
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- [ogpx] Policy between services David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 SM
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter - 2009 09 01 Carlo Wood