Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update

Ok, ok ... but perhaps it's time to try a video conference,
or even just a 'skype' meeting for a change, without airplane and
hotel costs.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Barry Leiba wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
> > But, apart from that I cannot afford to (and also not for other reasons)
> > participate in real life meetings (outside my city and/or starting before
> > 1 pm); I don't understand why this can't be done online... only knowledge
> > and data needs to be exchanged. Why is a real life meeting necessary?
> 
> To be clear:
> IETF process specifies that official work is done on the mailing list,
> and so anything that's "decided" at a face-to-face meeting, on a
> conference call, or over any other means (IM or VW, for example) must
> be re-confirmed on the mailing list.
> 
> It is NOT necessary for anyone to travel to the meetings in order to
> participate.
> 
> That said, the IETF holds three face-to-face meetings each year (and
> some working groups hold interim working-group meetings; I doubt this
> group will do that).  These meetings allow for a great deal of
> high-bandwidth interaction and discussion, and usually enable us to
> get a lot of work done that would be more difficult or more protracted
> without the opportunity to get people into a room together.  We find
> that people get a lot out of attending in person.
> 
> Assuming it's chartered, the VRAP working group WILL be meeting at the
> face-to-face IETF meetings -- at least at most of them.  The question
> is whether we should try to meet in Hiroshima, given how soon it is.
> But I'll repeat: whether or not we meet in Hiroshima, and whether or
> not you (meaning any participant) attend ANY of the face-to-face
> meetings, have no effect on your participation in the working group.
> You become a full participant merely by participating here, on the
> mailing list.
> 
> Barry (long-time IETF participant, working-group chair, and former IAB member)
> _______________________________________________
> ogpx mailing list
> ogpx@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx

-- 
Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>