Re: [ogpx] A Review of Multi-Domain Use Cases [Was: Re: OpenID and OGP : beginning the discussion ...]

Meadhbh Siobhan <meadhbh.siobhan@gmail.com> Mon, 29 June 2009 14:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ogpx] A Review of Multi-Domain Use Cases [Was: Re: OpenID and OGP : beginning the discussion ...]
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okay. i get you.

the question is, "how do you ID distinct users with the same name from
two different agent domains?"

an example use case might be... "You have two distinct users who both
have avatars named 'John Smith' registered with two distinct agent
domains (we'll call them 'avatarsrus.com' and 'businessworlds.com'.)
how do you make the 'John Smith' from avatarsrus.com identifiable as a
distinct entity from 'John Smith' from businessworlds.com so that both
could be rezzed into the same region and both own assets that are
rezzed in world simultaneously."

so you have two issues: first, how do you identify the two as being
distinct to the simulator and second, how do you identify the two as
being distinct to other users since they'll both have the "John Smith"
avatar name displayed.

the first (how are the two identified to the simulator) is that agents
will have a publicly addressable protocol endpoint in the form of a
URL at their agent domains. The first agent might have the URL
http://avatarsrus.com/a/Smith/John while the second has the URL
http://bsinessworlds.com/BDFB8691-9FD5-444A-B601-4075E7226242. The
format of the URL doesn't matter as long as the agent domain
guarantee's they're unique and under the control of the agent domain.

the second one is left as an exercise to client application developers
and is analogous to the difficulty end users may have in
differentiating two entities with the same name but distinct email
addresses.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Carlo Wood<carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:13:08AM -0700, Meadhbh Siobhan wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Carlo Wood<carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
>> as mentioned in the draft, deployers MAY choose to identify users via
>> account ids rather than first+last.
>
> But that is local to the deployers.
>
> What is used to ID an agent in the server-server protocol
> when a user walks from one region into another, or teleports
> to a different region?
>
> Firstname Lastname should be merely payload, not interesting
> to the servers, not being used for anything except passing
> it on the the viewers so they can use it to put in the tags.
>
> There must be some other string, that is globally unique,
> that is used to ID the agent. I was missing that string
> in the first post that started this.
>
> --
> Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
>