[Openpgp-dt] 2022-05-10 design team meeting notes

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OpenPGP Design Team Meeting
2022-05-10

Present:

dkg
gniibe
stephen
justus
daniel H


# Agenda

# Extra timeslots this week?
- meeting this Thursday at 1600 UTC and Friday at 1400 UTC
- same URL as always

# Merging approved things
- SF to mail Paul to ask if more merging would be good

# MRs/Issues

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/184/diffs
- there may be more IANA things to fix
- generally want to move to specification required for everything (or 
almost)
- exceptions already docuemnted

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/180
- MR created by non-DT member, good discussion let's try process later 
in the week (on Thu if we can)

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/181
- generally happiness with this
- dkg asks if it's ok that peeking at the first few octets would no 
longer allow code to detect a private value (this changes means that 
won't work)
- justus: it mightn't have worked anyway
- might be worth flagging this to WG before WGLC
- more approvals happened

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/183
- also relevant for !160 (below)
- people seem happy with this
- has 2 approvals now
- TODO: dkg to adjust IANA considerations to note that adding a new 
curve requires updates to all three tables

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/160
- has a thumbs down
- simpler text may be sufficient, dkg may be willing to craft such
- daniel H: this refs another spec, maybe the changes should go into an 
update for that?
- TODO: dkg will creat a new MR for this (simpler, referencing the 
changes in !183), close !160, and reach out to the authhor of the pgp 
card spec to check if the changes look good (and/or if other changes 
ought go into that spec)

## https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/rfc4880bis/-/merge_requests/111
- thumbs down from daniel H - have seen text that isn't handled this way
- daniel would like some MUSTs so s/is encoded/MUST be encoded/g seems 
like it'll get us to approvals,
- TODO: dkg will make that change