Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP
ianG <iang@iang.org> Thu, 20 March 2014 14:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP
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On 20/03/2014 13:56 pm, Alfredo Pironti wrote: > In this discussion, the "input distribution" argument has already been > debunked: a good crypto scheme works equally well regardless of the input > distribution. > > Also attacks that seemed to be thwarted by compression turned out to be > actually thwarted by the different message format that compression implies. > > What other security arguments would remain in favor of compression? At the margin, if a protocol finds itself finding 2x sized messages, it may simply fail. This leads to a security failure if the result is that the user switches away or does something else like cleartext message delivery (the failure known as S/MIME). This is a very meta-argument, in that usability over time is more important than anything else. It's not a particularly good theoretical argument because it lacks context, it's more like one of those unforeseen consequences you can only find out by trying it. We may find on trying it that we lose half our user base because all their backups break; or we may not. It's also the case that we tend to prefer to protect our existing users and their apps more than we tend to help people who aren't as yet firmly in that set and dependent. This is a tendency that I argue against vociferously in any other context except an IETF WG ;) Or in simpler terms, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. iang, amused that I find myself defending the old, crusty ways!
- [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP David Shaw
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Florian Weimer
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Peter Todd
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Peter Todd
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Peter Todd
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Peter Todd
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Nicholas Cole
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Alfredo Pironti
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Hauke Laging
- Re: [openpgp] Disabling compression in OpenPGP Gregory Maxwell