Re: [openpgp] [dane] The DANE draft
"Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Wed, 05 August 2015 15:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] [dane] The DANE draft
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On 5 Aug 2015, at 8:25, Stephen Farrell wrote: > On 05/08/15 16:12, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Wearing my author hat: I don't care between b32 and hashing. Both are >> equally easy to document. However: >> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 4:28, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >>> So sorry to continue an argument but shouldn't this experiment be >>> a more conservative about privacy just in case it ends up wildly >>> successful? >> >> How is using the hash more conservative about privacy, except in >> zones >> that are signed with NSEC instead of the more common NSEC3? If you >> assume zones signed with NSEC3, both options are equally susceptible >> to >> dictionary-based guessing attacks, given that the effort to create >> search dictionaries for the billion of common LHS names is pretty low >> even for hashes. > > Tempora. That on-path attacker has a far easier time reversing the > b32 than anything based on the hash. Even with DPRIVE, we don't know > how to handle the recursive to authoritative part. Thanks, I was only thinking of off-path attackers. I agree that, if we are concerned with on-path watchers, hashes would preserve much more privacy than Base32 encodings. --Paul Hoffman
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