[openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 13 May 2025 22:11 UTC
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Subject: [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc
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Hiya, On 12/05/2025 18:20, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Hey folks-- > > On Tue 2025-04-15 12:41:01 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> With these changes, Stephen and I are announcing Working Group Last Call >> on draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc. >> >> We expect the WGLC to last four weeks, which means we will look for >> consensus (or the lack thereof) based on on-list discusson through >> Tuesday, 2025-05-13. > > Just a gentle reminder that the deadline for this WGLC is coming up > tomorrow. If you have thoughts or reviews you've been holding back, now > is a good time to share them on the list. Thanks to my co-chair for the gentle reminder:-) (TBH, I did need it as I just emerging from exam-marking frenzy:-) I have a few personal comments below, none of which should delay us in publication. (Unless they resonate much more widely than I expect.) It looks to me (and dkg, based on off-list mail) like we do have consensus to proceed with this, but in chair-mode, we should look back over the WGLC comments and send a mail to the list to confirm that etc. I think we may want a -09 draft too based on the earlier comments, but should then be good to push ahead. My non-blocking personal comments/queries are below - it is ok to ignore 'em, honest:-) Cheers, S. - I think (but am not 100% sure) we want it to be true that no implementation makes unexpected multiple uses of any secret or private value at any time. For example, KEM private values when sending a mail to multiple recipients or signature private keys when signing twice with algs 32/33. Is that the case? If so, should we say it (more) explicitly? We almost do say this in a few places, some of which RECOMMEND not re-using, others of which call for "independent" generation. Is this something we could tighten up on without breaking any use-cases? If we do have some real use-case that needs to re-use a secret or private value, (basically other than multiple alg-specific signing private key use), can we describe that as the counter-example to just saying RECOMMENDED rather than MUST NOT? - 2.1: Five is IMO too many signature options. Can we not reduce that number? If not (as I suspect, I always lose this argument;-) then it'll help with later document processing if we can document why we need five in e.g. an email, in case someone asks, which they probably will. (I forget if we covered this specifically in earlier debates sorry, if a reference provides a good answer, that's just fine.) - I didn't check the appendices/examples, but I know others have (thanks!). We should also get somoene to confirm on the list that the set of examples in the version we forward for publication are (still) ok, again in an email to the list so we can point to that later. - nit: We use ":=" without definition, and I'd say just "=" would be just as good?
- [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc-08.t… internet-drafts
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc-… Aron Wussler
- [openpgp] WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [was: R… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… andrewg
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Bart Butler
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Neal H. Walfield
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Justus Winter
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Aron Wussler
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Justus Winter
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Heiko Schäfer
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Falko Strenzke
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Michael Richardson
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Aron Wussler
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Heiko Schäfer
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc [wa… Aron Wussler
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Falko Strenzke
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Simo Sorce
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Simo Sorce
- [openpgp] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-openpgp-pqc Aron Wussler