Re: [openpgp] Issuer Fingerprint
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Mon, 20 June 2016 09:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Issuer Fingerprint
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:02, pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz said: > Uhh, I'll have to disagree (strongly) with that, perhaps from the point of GPG > this is true since it's the de facto reference implementation that everyone Actually that is only the case for a couple of years. Before that we (GPG team) had to add a lot of of minor things to our code base to make GPG interoperable with PGP >= 5. Thus back then PGP was the de-facto reference implementation. True, there has been Tom Ritter's reference implementation for OpenPGP (also published as a book) but it had not all the little bells and whistles you need to have for true interoperability. > makes their code compatible with, but when you need to interop across non-GPG > implementations it can get pretty hairy, I've had to reverse-engineer source > code and create instrumented versions of other apps that hex-dump data so I Right, RFC-2440 (from 1998) missed to clearly document a couple of important things. So back then everyone either had to look at the PGP-5 source of PGP-5 (or had someone else to look at it), or to ask Derek or Jon. In the end this was taken to this list and eventually put into RFC-4880. If you, or any of the other implementers, still remember the problems encountered while writing your OpenPGP code, I would very much appreciate if you can tell us, so it can make it into 4880bis. > be compatible with the GPG de facto profile, in the same way that SSH code is > written to be compatible with the OpenSSH (server) and Putty (client) de facto Ack. I consider a spec modeled around _one_ existing implementation a Good Thing. My statement "The MUSTs, SHOULDs, and MAYs have been carefully designed " was not meant to say that OpenPGP is a complete and bug free specification but that it specifies enough to allow the creation of a mostly *PGP-5 compatible* implementation without asking too much. Compare that to the majority of other protocols which not only had interop problems but also no published reference implementation. BTW: Lacking an integrative implementers forum (like this OpenPGP WG), your X.509 style guide was the only way forward to write halfway X.509 compatible implementation. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. /* EFH in Erkrath: https://alt-hochdahl.de/haus */
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