Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diffs from -10 to -12 of crypto-refresh

Dominik Schürmann <dominik@schuermann.eu> Mon, 30 October 2023 07:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diffs from -10 to -12 of crypto-refresh
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On 29.10.23 02:03, Roman Danyliw wrote:
> ** Section 13.6
>
>     When a human is actively involved, the result of such a verification
>     is dubious.  There is little evidence that most humans are good at
>     precise comparison of high-entropy data, particularly when that data
>     is represented in compact textual form like a hexadecimal
>     fingerprint.
>
> Is there a usability claim (citation) which backs this claim?

We did a study back then and hexadecimal performed worst in comparison 
to all other fingerprint representations:

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity16/sec16_paper_dechand.pdf

Maybe that helps here.

Cheers
Dominik