Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG
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Hiya, On 21/10/2020 13:01, Derek Atkins wrote: > So... IF I read this right, the plan is to start from RFC4880 and then > re-hash all the discussions we've had in the past decade+ to re-introduce > changes to it? Urgh, no:-) > > Or is the plan to start from the current rfc4880bis draft and work from > there to get it across the finish line? More or less. There will of course need to be a discussion about WG adoption of a draft but IIUC the goal will be for that to basically start from the current bis draft. What I don't know is whether or not there are parts in the current draft that a WG would rather not have and how that might affect people's opinions on adoption. I do believe a WG would want almost all of the bis text so starting from testing that (via a WG adoption discussion) seems like a plan to me. But again, that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves. > The current wording in the charter leads me to the former and not the > latter process. Can you please confirm? Feel free to suggest some words pointing out it's the latter. (Or I can try later on, if that's better.) Cheers, S. > > Thanks, > > -derek > > On Tue, October 20, 2020 9:20 pm, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> Hiya, >> >> The draft charter is at [1]. >> >> Comments and discussion of that are more than welcome. >> >> From my POV, I'm happy to try help out to get a fairly >> minimal bit of progress progressed (as an RFC) - if we can >> usefully succeed in that (which isn't a given). >> >> FWIW, I do think starting with a very modest goal is >> likely a good plan for now. A bit of success (in terms >> of an RFC that is implemented, deployed and more up to >> date) is already not that easy, but success does >> breed success so if we got that done, then extending >> the charter based on success is not so hard. >> >> Cheers, >> S. >> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-openpgp/ >> >> On 21/10/2020 01:59, Ronald Tse wrote: >>> I second Derek’s message here, haven’t seen a proposed charter at the >>> mailing list? >>> >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> Ronald Tse >>> Ribose Inc. >>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, October 20, 2020 8:44 pm, Ángel wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-10-20 at 14:59 -0700, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>>>>> Please welcome the chairs for the now-in-proposed-state WG, >>>>>> Daniel Kahn Gillmor and Stephen Farrell! >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to many successful RFCs :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ben >>>>> >>>>> Nice to hear! Although I would be happy to see just a few for now :-) >>>> >>>> This is complete news to me; I have seen no proposed charter sent to >>>> this >>>> mailing list. >>>> Did I miss it? >>>> >>>> -derek >>>> -- >>>> Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 >>>> derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com >>>> Computer and Internet Security Consultant >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> openpgp mailing list >>>> openpgp@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openpgp mailing list >>> openpgp@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> openpgp mailing list >> openpgp@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >> > >
- [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ángel
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson