Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 21 October 2020 12:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG
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Hiya,

On 21/10/2020 13:01, Derek Atkins wrote:
> So... IF I read this right, the plan is to start from RFC4880 and then
> re-hash all the discussions we've had in the past decade+ to re-introduce
> changes to it?

Urgh, no:-)

> 
> Or is the plan to start from the current rfc4880bis draft and work from
> there to get it across the finish line?

More or less.

There will of course need to be a discussion about WG
adoption of a draft but IIUC the goal will be for that to
basically start from the current bis draft. What I don't
know is whether or not there are parts in the current draft
that a WG would rather not have and how that might affect
people's opinions on adoption. I do believe a WG would want
almost all of the bis text so starting from testing that
(via a WG adoption discussion) seems like a plan to me.
But again, that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

> The current wording in the charter leads me to the former and not the
> latter process.  Can you please confirm?

Feel free to suggest some words pointing out it's the
latter. (Or I can try later on, if that's better.)

Cheers,
S.


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -derek
> 
> On Tue, October 20, 2020 9:20 pm, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> The draft charter is at [1].
>>
>> Comments and discussion of that are more than welcome.
>>
>> From my POV, I'm happy to try help out to get a fairly
>> minimal bit of progress progressed (as an RFC) - if we can
>> usefully succeed in that (which isn't a given).
>>
>> FWIW, I do think starting with a very modest goal is
>> likely a good plan for now. A bit of success (in terms
>> of an RFC that is implemented, deployed and more up to
>> date) is already not that easy, but success does
>> breed success so if we got that done, then extending
>> the charter based on success is not so hard.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.
>>
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-openpgp/
>>
>> On 21/10/2020 01:59, Ronald Tse wrote:
>>> I second Derek’s message here, haven’t seen a proposed charter at the
>>> mailing list?
>>>
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>> Ronald Tse
>>> Ribose Inc.
>>>
>>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, October 20, 2020 8:44 pm, Ángel wrote:
>>>>>> On 2020-10-20 at 14:59 -0700, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>>>>>> Please welcome the chairs for the now-in-proposed-state WG,
>>>>>> Daniel Kahn Gillmor and Stephen Farrell!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to many successful RFCs :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to hear! Although I would be happy to see just a few for now :-)
>>>>
>>>> This is complete news to me; I have seen no proposed charter sent to
>>>> this
>>>> mailing list.
>>>> Did I miss it?
>>>>
>>>> -derek
>>>> --
>>>>       Derek Atkins                 617-623-3745
>>>>       derek@ihtfp.com             www.ihtfp.com
>>>>       Computer and Internet Security Consultant
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