Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situation be fixed?
Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> Wed, 06 July 2016 15:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situation be fixed?
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Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> writes: > There's how you issue certificates (the whole CA/introducer issue(s)), > whether certs contain one key or key sets, how they are transported (S/ > MIME puts them in the message, OpenPGP in directories etc.), and even the > role of the internal layering. Note that OpenPGP is a binary (and UTF-8 is > still binary) object protocol with a drizzling of MIME-encoding frosting > over the top. That frosting is subject to its own interpretations. S/MIME > in contrast *starts* with the email and MIME object and underneath there's > CMS, usually almost as an afterthought. (Did you have a momentary "huh?" > in your head when you read CMS? Many people do, and that's the point.) S/ > MIME starts at the top, OpenPGP starts at the bottom. > > And oh, there are also other things that have to be re-hashed like ASN.1 > all over again and the things it drags along like encoding rules. This is > a good deal why perhaps its better to just push the other things up into > software. The reason that there are the two standards is that they address > different views of the world, technical as well as political. > > Two views of the world that are rather absolutist and thus wrong. Some parts > of the world are hierarchical, others are not. A trust infrastructure needs to > support both. But it isn't clear such infrastructure is best implemented > inside a client. OpenPGP can support hierarchical certificate deployments just fine (my company is building one) as well as the Web of Trust model. X.509 cannot support a Web of Trust deployment, period. So there is a clear winner here. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Watson Ladd
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Thijs van Dijk
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- Re: [openpgp] Can the OpenPGP vs. S/MIME situatio… Stephen Paul Weber
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