Re: V3 secret keys
Ben Laurie <ben@algroup.co.uk> Sun, 19 February 2006 16:09 UTC
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Hal Finney wrote: > Ben Laurie writes: >> No, I can't confirm that. I have code that works as we all expect CFB to >> work (modulo "resync") on v4 secret keys. I had to make the change I >> described to decrypt v3 keys. It seems to me rather unlikely that I have >> it wrong given that I had to reverse engineer and write new code to get >> a working implementation for v3! > > To clarify, you are claiming that to unlock a V3 secret key, you don't > use the IV as usual in CFB mode. Instead, you use an all-zero buffer > for the IV, and then prepend the IV from the secret key subpacket to > the data, decrypt that, and discard the first block of output? > > So in other words, to get the first block of plaintext you do, in effect: > > buf1 = Enc (all-zeros); > buf2 = buf1 xor IV; > buf3 = Enc (buf2); > buf4 = buf3 xor ciphertext > > and buf4 will be the first block of plaintext? You say your code does > this, and it works???? > > My code does this: > > buf1 = Enc (IV); > buf2 = buf1 xor ciphertext > > and buf2 is the first block of plaintext. > > I just checked GPG and I confirmed that they work the same way I have > said. > > Could you possibly show a few lines of your code, that does this step? > It's simply impossible for your code to be working as I have described > above, and to interoperate with existing V3 keys. Either I misunderstood > your claim about the need for an all-zero IV, or you have misunderstood > what your own code is doing. In fact, after discussion with Hal, we've established that: a) Both of us are correct about what our code is doing b) The two algorithms are effectively the same (for decryption, at least). c) There was a bug in my code related to resyncing that setting the IV "the hard way" worked around - which is why it appeared that v3 keys were crypted differently. So, we're in agreement about how it works now. My complaint about "resyncing" stands, however. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff
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