From nobody Tue Aug 8 03:40:39 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A10C1516E0 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 03:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=andrewg.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GotvFnetjnXr for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 03:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fum.andrewg.com (fum.andrewg.com [IPv6:2a01:4f9:c011:23ad::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8521C15155A for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 03:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:fc93:5820:7349:eda2:99a7::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fum.andrewg.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34E745F4AD; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:40:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=andrewg.com; s=andrewg-com; t=1691491230; bh=LUSKM/s2F88tdxYD0XCVxm4eASVHRY4Mx37RWy0/X18=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=Pv6Id18v3KbwKqXjfIHfivdOs/Z4V1413xOG6eE6a756NJS3AmtRLlStxNwx5BHWi N1F2MPM895AP2WSGXQdruFbzxzXzk1UnfyDSMYnPF6WU5O+d9RENyniiR0yk7FpEnC NhVTs+BxE14LGSxwmYKw0jpkczH5Sg/Vrs6BsqVI7ZghF+se14GmCSpamgrOu5ex4A p1TVgg/cluP/fQ/LCSe0HEZ03VZRJ9CgxZ0rBcZoEV8bS9KHv6WWd0l4urgjFmA4DU Hv03zetaCqvcw2Dw6/IN6bvynDXh7eVFFc3f477VfI3VP7dqfd8F4vRD22HvOX/HnA WCtLGW+0fJyfA== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FA251C43-854A-402F-92B2-1EF7D3D22797"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.600.7\)) From: Andrew Gallagher In-Reply-To: <8d42f591-3aec-43c8-b476-abdafdb85dd7@metacode.biz> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:40:10 +0100 Cc: Werner Koch , IETF OpenPGP WG , Kai Engert Message-Id: References: <48be3fcf-cdce-9ef4-655b-63b6dddf9310@kuix.de> <20201211095836.5218a72e@computer> <878sa4y7hy.wl-neal@walfield.org> <4dbaf770-2b2e-47cc-afb5-3ba07706aafd@kuix.de> <87a5v1j4xo.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <87zg31hoee.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <87v8dphmec.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <8d42f591-3aec-43c8-b476-abdafdb85dd7@metacode.biz> To: Wiktor Kwapisiewicz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.600.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header X-BeenThere: openpgp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: "Ongoing discussion of OpenPGP issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 10:40:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FA251C43-854A-402F-92B2-1EF7D3D22797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 8 Aug 2023, at 11:25, Wiktor Kwapisiewicz = wrote: >=20 > Having been on the receiving end of the "no can do" advice with this = mailing list not once, not twice I'd encourage Kai to try it out anyway = and see the real-world impact of his solution first-hand. I=E2=80=99d be more conservative than this - I=E2=80=99m not going to = say =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t do it=E2=80=9D, but I would recommend to draw = up the pros and cons first before implementation, because everything is = a balance of cost and benefit - and those who pay the cost are not = always those who benefit (which is how we got here in the first place). = We have a specific concern raised, which is that it might break = forwarding. So how would this be addressed? A --Apple-Mail=_FA251C43-854A-402F-92B2-1EF7D3D22797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEKR55odxVrielLu+DXB7EBNWQZikFAmTSG4oACgkQXB7EBNWQ Zik+5xAAglRbubO/kgF1IQju/LQH0QB8i+oNVeM8kgBYfdFx+nrWWhs6sogeyUeJ Y5el3YP+5yKb14oni1U626BVRrRASnYRQ28PFWHqeWLbDzbvHWPAUqRzDzZ4yVxO to4wlTUzvsZH6Ni7QPuCSbBeueVlT8QRUDm1qruQC5w/F6idwnQuQVhuoowhxsUb AQC8tp+pWH6MhKTfZEMwbut5m8zhRaWflSDWUKx5/S2ZZsI8BA+a+RGv62Ksf06w v8syeo85TY0M5CCoF1FADGMJIm65zImIRzD/z9XgF1uw3bk7TXkfQuCWVPdv9v9h WOAVANQEw1YZdIn5uSwvUGzSse8fkh2hKvi8epEnRN/ZZZtYh3jOgNa6XBY7/KO9 kuwOFa2BLWE8BbNQYHs4AU28Bops6PudQi9Kby60JGycZGNRjmTfac12x+wzh3QJ hICcfpLU7UUtAGvGaTpNRkhVN6qWtlZ/XVq4y4hevrRS7QKIG8OOlGFTusVmA3Xz XZVXa3EW/H7utKGDWBWL3EE3JhrNURNkIYaXxM3APmsUt5bswdrWdCCCOUd99JHy 67Xiaaij6L9nJ+bPtv95+v+E1UUS3c8RNru85lfpIYZ8AjVvItvnNzRYfbyWmznK HGSYx/LChbKZhb0RsZ1yhxpexFIGguVeJEAJ8MakzCTongyAeks= =gIYG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FA251C43-854A-402F-92B2-1EF7D3D22797--