[openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-replacementkey-01.txt
Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Sun, 03 November 2024 19:46 UTC
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Subject: [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-replacementkey-01.txt
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Thanks for doing this work, Andrew. With no chair hat on, my preference is for a mandatory imprint with an optional fingerprint (i think that's your option 3b). I would include guidance like: ------------ - If the imprint is identical to the fingerprint, the fingerprint can be safely omitted. The generator SHOULD omit the fingerprint in this case. - If the imprint is identical to the fingerprint, the generator SHOULD NOT omit the fingerprint, unless it has reason to believe that all consumers have a straightforward way to retrieve the referenced certificate without depending on its fingerprint. ------------ I don't think there is a large implementation cost for this -- the codepaths will already be mostly in place. This allows an isolated implementation ecosystem that expects to have no interaction with the keyserver network to not consume the extra space, but generally discourages it, which is the appropriate approach for the current scenario. As for the UX guidance, i'd be pretty wary about the level of detail that you've proposed for the process of *generating* the replacement key data in this thread. I agree with Daniel Huigens that the ideal UX shouldn't expose any information about specific certificates/keys/algorithms to the user. I like Daniel Huigen's proposal for augmenting "sop update-key" to be able to make use of this specification, as i think it matches the level that would be appropriate for most applications. That said, i like the idea of describing more of the workflow for the *consumption* of a certificate with such a reference. I'm not convinced about the part of the notifying the user or asking the user part, though. again, i'm not sure that we want to involve the user so deeply at this level. But i think it would be really useful to walk through the steps that need to be taken, and the higher-level tradeoffs that might be made there (e.g., whether there are privacy implications of trying to fetch the associated keys, and if affordances should be made for privacy-sensitive scenarios). --dkg
- [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-replacem… internet-drafts
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Heiko Schäfer
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… andrewg
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-repl… Andrew Gallagher