Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to reserve two public key numbers
"Derek Atkins" <derek@ihtfp.com> Thu, 07 July 2016 12:34 UTC
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Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:33:45 -0400
From: Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to reserve two public key numbers
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Hi Stephen, On Thu, July 7, 2016 7:33 am, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hi Derek, > > On 07/07/16 12:21, Derek Atkins wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, July 7, 2016 5:23 am, Stephen Farrell wrote: [snip] >> >> http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.04780 > > The discussion of the relative merits of those would be better > on cfrg. (I don't recall the latter having been posted there > for example, but I do recall hearing about/seeing it before > somewhere.) You brought up a paper showing a weak key/keyset and said there was no response, I pointed out a response. I wasn't trying to discuss relative merits and agree this is not the place to do so. But you started it ;) [snip] >> Note again that it's just reserving the number; it's completely >> underspecified. > > The patch mentioned AE methods explicitly. Allocating codepoints > for underspecified algorithms would seem pretty odd. There are other "reserved for.." code points. And there are other "underspecified" code points, too. So there is already precedent. C.f. X9.42 (code point 21). [snip] > So I've no clue how this WG or the openpgp community regard > squatting but if codepoints aren't scarce marking some as > reserved could be an option. (FWIW, I'm not fussed about doing > such things if codepoints aren't scarce.) It's an 8-bit field. There are currently 21 allocated, with #22 in line for EdDSA, and me asking for 23 and 24. So still under 10% utilized. I'm not sure if you consider this scarce or not. I don't; I don't expect there to be a ton of new public key algorithms out there. Even if we expect another two dozen in the *next* 30 years, that would still put us only to 20% utilized. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Salz, Rich
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to res… Derek Atkins
- [openpgp] Proposed Patch to RFC4880bis to reserve… Derek Atkins