Re: [openpgp] Regulation of algo deprecation

Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Wed, 04 November 2015 08:31 UTC

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On Wed,  4 Nov 2015 01:00, azet@azet.org said:

> So my impression is that GnuPG / OpenPGP current support far to many
> possible algorithm choices. We should really limit that. For novice

Right.  FWIW, I had a meeting in 2000 with PRZ and Jon Callas at the AES
conference in Rome where Phil begged us to limit the number of supported
algorithms.  Nevertheless we added Twofish (which was a high ranked AES
candidate then) anyway due to the need for 128 bit block cipher and
later we added Camellia for political reasons.

> CFRG recently recommended Curve25519 (or whatever nomenclature is
> currently en vouge), so why bother with Brainpool at all?

I took Brainpool merely as an example.  These curves are not defined by
an RFC but implementations may add them using an OID. Well, this OID
thing is somewhat questionable but then we also do not specify an upper
limit for RSA key sizes or require the support for certain key sizes.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner

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