From nobody Fri Oct 7 04:42:14 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1B7C1522B7 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2022 04:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=andrewg.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8V01atRJVAj for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2022 04:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fum.andrewg.com (fum.andrewg.com [IPv6:2a01:4f9:c011:23ad::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E77DEC14CF11 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2022 04:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [176.61.115.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fum.andrewg.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 424515F1AA for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2022 11:42:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=andrewg.com; s=andrewg-com; t=1665142925; bh=dvIe/TeHRvUWRNsRFqgn6aWfPXc7gSINA/ICKAr0W2Y=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=Y5Mkh+EcNIINpV9zjzVHUw/2haFhDOTel4XMnlOpKircsvxKfq5TomrqLwsiPm7Bw 0tvwf97HHAAa4GLneCJZMvb0gAvq0k1fgP5vI8f+9u72zQbX9es309UVQ4YqUEOrIL 8mqd1u2mK7S/P5W0bBUCnY7SF73RQIYufCaGLtNlC9qQKMGSjYlxrSEeEmF+bdNvff MGXKdM1Ek/FK8nInhsFdrqZzjN+o4qlt61MJ6BtG77DGVAKqurqhw51JN9FioI7mSA ZtCmPQjIa4imVs65Uf6XZWVt05hGQk4BreQ6X2iZrUbnDCDasBHKTLZUQqR5VoViwZ 11beqQnFL1Ubw== From: Andrew Gallagher Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_53CEA17C-18C0-4C84-B928-F9A4441CF7C4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 12:41:57 +0100 References: <086DCEE6-1AB7-4453-9EEA-AFCDFD1715F4@mit.edu> To: openpgp@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <086DCEE6-1AB7-4453-9EEA-AFCDFD1715F4@mit.edu> Message-Id: <8414860D-5CE6-407E-A78A-E21A03CDCC52@andrewg.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft X-BeenThere: openpgp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: "Ongoing discussion of OpenPGP issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:42:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_53CEA17C-18C0-4C84-B928-F9A4441CF7C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am becoming increasingly concerned that this list is flirting with the = prospect of a fork in the standard, and that a significant driver of = this appears to be a long-running, personalised dispute between = particular implementers. If such a fork were to happen, I fear this = would effectively kill OpenPGP. Such an outcome would benefit *nobody*. Please can we confine our discussions to technical matters? If we = absolutely must defer some decisions in order to get agreement now then = so be it, and maybe it will allow tempers to cool in the meantime. = However I would strongly encourage the group to avoid threats (implied = or otherwise) of unilateral action or retribution, and agree that we are = all here in order to better serve *our users*, not ourselves. If we cannot place the end user=E2=80=99s interests at the centre of our = decision-making process, we might as well all go home. 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