Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primitives
ianG <iang@iang.org> Fri, 10 April 2015 16:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primitives
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On 8/04/2015 19:36 pm, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 15:32 +0000, David Leon Gil wrote: >> Brief update on plans for deprecation: The tracking issue is at >> https://github.com/yahoo/end-to-end/issues/31 >> >> Please feel free to open another issue if you have specific >> objections. I will either be convinced by your arguments, and change >> the plan, or explain why I don't. > > Look, as I've pointed out previously, I personally think that crypto, > done as a web app is inherently untrustworthy. Which is out of scope for this list, right? > If one says "hey, let's discuss whether we should deprecate twofish in > OpenPGP" that's totally fine,... but informing the standardisation body > "hey we drop now support for x, y and z" with an implicit "and since we > represent n users, you better follow our decision" is not appropriate. I saw no such implication. I personally appreciate it when vendors actually do tell us what they are doing when that effects the way many users are going to be using the product. In our fishbowl, we sometimes lack the context of what happens out in the field, so news of that nature - hopefully concise and clear - is welcome. To me at least. iang
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Wyllys Ingersoll
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Kristian Fiskerstrand
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Stephen Paul Weber
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Shaw
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Bill Frantz
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… vedaal
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Stephen Paul Weber
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Shaw
- [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primitives David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Bill Frantz
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Bill Frantz
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Andrew Skretvedt
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Christoph Anton Mitterer
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… David Leon Gil
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Christoph Anton Mitterer
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… ianG
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Ben McGinnes
- Re: [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primi… Tom Ritter
- [openpgp] Intent to deprecate: Insecure primitives David Leon Gil