Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG
Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> Wed, 21 October 2020 12:36 UTC
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:36:25 -0400
From: Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com>, Ronald Tse <tse=40ribose.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "openpgp@ietf.org" <openpgp@ietf.org>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG
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HI, On Wed, October 21, 2020 8:33 am, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 21/10/2020 13:01, Derek Atkins wrote: >> So... IF I read this right, the plan is to start from RFC4880 and then >> re-hash all the discussions we've had in the past decade+ to >> re-introduce >> changes to it? > > Urgh, no:-) Good to hear. >> >> Or is the plan to start from the current rfc4880bis draft and work from >> there to get it across the finish line? > > More or less. > > There will of course need to be a discussion about WG > adoption of a draft but IIUC the goal will be for that to > basically start from the current bis draft. What I don't > know is whether or not there are parts in the current draft > that a WG would rather not have and how that might affect > people's opinions on adoption. I do believe a WG would want > almost all of the bis text so starting from testing that > (via a WG adoption discussion) seems like a plan to me. > But again, that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves. > >> The current wording in the charter leads me to the former and not the >> latter process. Can you please confirm? > > Feel free to suggest some words pointing out it's the > latter. (Or I can try later on, if that's better.) Maybe the simplest way would be to change: The Working Group will perform the following work: - Revise RFC4880 to read: - Revise RFC4880. The intent is to start from the current rfc4880bis draft. > Cheers, > S. -derek > >> >> Thanks, >> >> -derek >> >> On Tue, October 20, 2020 9:20 pm, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> The draft charter is at [1]. >>> >>> Comments and discussion of that are more than welcome. >>> >>> From my POV, I'm happy to try help out to get a fairly >>> minimal bit of progress progressed (as an RFC) - if we can >>> usefully succeed in that (which isn't a given). >>> >>> FWIW, I do think starting with a very modest goal is >>> likely a good plan for now. A bit of success (in terms >>> of an RFC that is implemented, deployed and more up to >>> date) is already not that easy, but success does >>> breed success so if we got that done, then extending >>> the charter based on success is not so hard. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> S. >>> >>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-openpgp/ >>> >>> On 21/10/2020 01:59, Ronald Tse wrote: >>>> I second Derek’s message here, haven’t seen a proposed charter at the >>>> mailing list? >>>> >>>> _____________________________________ >>>> >>>> Ronald Tse >>>> Ribose Inc. >>>> >>>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, October 20, 2020 8:44 pm, Ángel wrote: >>>>>>> On 2020-10-20 at 14:59 -0700, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >>>>>>> Please welcome the chairs for the now-in-proposed-state WG, >>>>>>> Daniel Kahn Gillmor and Stephen Farrell! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to many successful RFCs :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice to hear! Although I would be happy to see just a few for now >>>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> This is complete news to me; I have seen no proposed charter sent to >>>>> this >>>>> mailing list. >>>>> Did I miss it? >>>>> >>>>> -derek >>>>> -- >>>>> Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 >>>>> derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com >>>>> Computer and Internet Security Consultant >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> openpgp mailing list >>>>> openpgp@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> openpgp mailing list >>>> openpgp@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openpgp mailing list >>> openpgp@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >>> >> >> > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant
- [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP WG Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ángel
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] heads-up: re-chartering the OPENPGP… Michael Richardson