Re: [openpgp] [PATCH] RFC4880bis: Argon2i

Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Tue, 03 November 2015 11:56 UTC

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Congratulations btw on winning the competition!

Kathleen and Stephen can confirm, but I believe you don't have to do
anything in terms of adding any language in this case (no patent
issued/sought, patent pending, etc.). When/if the document is adopted by
the working group, the chair will request any disclosures.



On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Alex Biryukov <alex.biryukov@uni.lu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We were not intending to patent it, so we can add a sentence about it.
> Suggestions of lawyer-happy phrases are welcome.
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joe@cdt.org');>> wrote:
>
>> At IETF94 one question that came up in trying to move quickly to
>> support Argon2 is the potential IPR that might be in Argon2. The code
>> available now [1] is CC0 which, AFAICT, doesn't have any patent grant
>> or implication for patents, etc., meaning the authors could still
>> claim something, precluding it from use without a waiver (or whatever,
>> IANAL)
>>
>> I'll CC the Argon2 authors (on the Argon2 spec [2]) here and see if we
>> can clarify any potential IPR and whether that might affect using it
>> in the future in OpenPGP.
>>
>> best, Joe
>>
>> [1]: https://github.com/p-h-c/phc-winner-argon2
>> [2]: https://password-hashing.net/argon2-specs.pdf
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','simon@josefsson.org');>> wrote:
>> > Den Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:45:44 +0100
>> > skrev Re: [openpgp] [PATCH] RFC4880bis: Argon2i:
>> >
>> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >>
>> >> > If we introduce this as a normative dependency for OpenPGP, though,
>> >> > we might also want to have an IETF RFC for Argon2.  Do you know of
>> >> > anyone working on such a draft?
>> >>
>> >> Simon Josefsson has expressed interest in helping with that.
>> >> @Simon: are you working on this?
>> >
>> > I started on an Argon2 draft but after talking to the Argon2 team we
>> > decided to wait until Argon2 was finalized.  I suppose now is a good
>> > time to resume that work.  I'll put something up on gitlab.com so
>> > people can review and help.  If anyone wants to help, please let me
>> > know and we'll coordinate something.
>> >
>> > /Simon
>> >
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