Return-Path: X-Original-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F651B328F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 03:56:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.377 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.377 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TOgWIB4BKnkq for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 03:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x22d.google.com (mail-lf0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A42A31B327C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 03:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by lfbf136 with SMTP id f136so14845560lfb.0 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HrPUTOFtLrb7yoHM8Lfj0gVu7Iw9bkEka7OBw+0f+rA=; b=AzU2KU8uGgHzKyGo/HOkreFAYU1Q5tACUyXWh7KS5Jb56sj7daSUCbU2Yl0XGpThgr +UghYL+hIAIx2n28ena7HIFS9jnP4mnbBnORndbJe+YPmikD3jYKLFBT9liF4sQfAih+ HPQ0Nrq1Hj05E7IiCSDeZWI4lhz4iAVBMt9+Q= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=HrPUTOFtLrb7yoHM8Lfj0gVu7Iw9bkEka7OBw+0f+rA=; b=NJRxT+o+BC01V2ofcKeBEkv3A43s36Gghx8TCHHDb/05LaGuOHBfHbEE+xqWwzRXjl FZmxXP5sEEvVeuCe7AqfpdPvVeaX2XjedaD2BUOh2w+udkm0sByhkvdGt8QoAUqNf0U6 Koysrqpn8/hfThN19eoMNd1K/jET5Duf9MJRtVV+abE3n6JdrJ91lf3X5yeBBS9oZKhj DAxdeBPDWGX9Nk5A853yP3aPwe1Scl+VOXgGN9EMiLUYu5k0T5BnFZ4N9Sa9212wZOcz 3tvaJTe28DpwIftWYlIR19GAS1NhAY1/Fm3qaT5pO20GSlZTAoguokWxn1aD3D1othCR VYKA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlyu8ne+NudJGVrHS7dUctgGwKEQzHc8Ky9plaqVJ1/arOc5OAgpHZdkgE+JOmV/flm8uiq MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.208.84 with SMTP id h81mr3011222lfg.22.1446551803513; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.141.77 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5623AA95.4060903@googlemail.com> <874mh3q3ol.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> <56385818.2000606@googlemail.com> <20151103092006.3cd3e900@latte.josefsson.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:56:43 +0900 Message-ID: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall To: Alex Biryukov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11411fba65eaec0523a196d3 Archived-At: Cc: Simon Josefsson , "openpgp@ietf.org" , Dmitry Khovratovich , Nils Durner , Daniel Dinu , Kathleen Moriarty , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [openpgp] [PATCH] RFC4880bis: Argon2i X-BeenThere: openpgp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Ongoing discussion of OpenPGP issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:56:48 -0000 --001a11411fba65eaec0523a196d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Congratulations btw on winning the competition! Kathleen and Stephen can confirm, but I believe you don't have to do anything in terms of adding any language in this case (no patent issued/sought, patent pending, etc.). When/if the document is adopted by the working group, the chair will request any disclosures. On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Alex Biryukov wrote: > Hi all, > > We were not intending to patent it, so we can add a sentence about it. > Suggestions of lawyer-happy phrases are welcome. > > Alex > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall > wrote: > >> At IETF94 one question that came up in trying to move quickly to >> support Argon2 is the potential IPR that might be in Argon2. The code >> available now [1] is CC0 which, AFAICT, doesn't have any patent grant >> or implication for patents, etc., meaning the authors could still >> claim something, precluding it from use without a waiver (or whatever, >> IANAL) >> >> I'll CC the Argon2 authors (on the Argon2 spec [2]) here and see if we >> can clarify any potential IPR and whether that might affect using it >> in the future in OpenPGP. >> >> best, Joe >> >> [1]: https://github.com/p-h-c/phc-winner-argon2 >> [2]: https://password-hashing.net/argon2-specs.pdf >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Simon Josefsson > > wrote: >> > Den Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:45:44 +0100 >> > skrev Re: [openpgp] [PATCH] RFC4880bis: Argon2i: >> > >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> >> >> > If we introduce this as a normative dependency for OpenPGP, though, >> >> > we might also want to have an IETF RFC for Argon2. Do you know of >> >> > anyone working on such a draft? >> >> >> >> Simon Josefsson has expressed interest in helping with that. >> >> @Simon: are you working on this? >> > >> > I started on an Argon2 draft but after talking to the Argon2 team we >> > decided to wait until Argon2 was finalized. I suppose now is a good >> > time to resume that work. I'll put something up on gitlab.com so >> > people can review and help. If anyone wants to help, please let me >> > know and we'll coordinate something. >> > >> > /Simon >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > openpgp mailing list >> > openpgp@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Joseph Lorenzo Hall >> Chief Technologist >> Center for Democracy & Technology >> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 >> Washington DC 20006-4011 >> (p) 202-407-8825 >> (f) 202-637-0968 >> joe@cdt.org >> PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >> fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 >> > > > > -- > --------------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Alex Biryukov, > FSTC/CSC, University of Luxembourg, > 6, rue Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, > L-1359 Luxembourg-Kirchberg > LUXEMBOURG > Tel: +352 46 66 44 6793 > Fax: +352 46 66 44 5500 > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist Center for Democracy & Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 joe@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 --001a11411fba65eaec0523a196d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations btw on winning the competition!

Kathleen= and Stephen can confirm, but I believe you don't have to do anything i= n terms of adding any language=C2=A0in this case (no patent issued/sought, = patent pending, etc.). When/if the document is=C2=A0adopted by the working = group, the chair will request any disclosures.



O= n Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Alex Biryukov <alex.biryukov@uni.lu> wrote:
Hi all,

We were not intending to patent= it, so we can add a sentence about it. Suggestions of lawyer-happy phrases= are welcome.

Alex

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hal= l <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
At IETF94 one question that came up in tryi= ng to move quickly to
support Argon2 is the potential IPR that might be in Argon2. The code
available now [1] is CC0 which, AFAICT, doesn't have any patent grant or implication for patents, etc., meaning the authors could still
claim something, precluding it from use without a waiver (or whatever,
IANAL)

I'll CC the Argon2 authors (on the Argon2 spec [2]) here and see if we<= br> can clarify any potential IPR and whether that might affect using it
in the future in OpenPGP.

best, Joe

[1]: https://github.com/p-h-c/phc-winner-argon2
[2]: https://password-hashing.net/argon2-specs.pdf<= br>
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Simon Josefsson <= simon@josefsson.org> wrote:
> Den Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:45:44 +0100
> skrev Re: [openpgp] [PATCH] RFC4880bis: Argon2i:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> > If we introduce this as a normative dependency for OpenPGP, t= hough,
>> > we might also want to have an IETF RFC for Argon2.=C2=A0 Do y= ou know of
>> > anyone working on such a draft?
>>
>> Simon Josefsson has expressed interest in helping with that.
>> @Simon: are you working on this?
>
> I started on an Argon2 draft but after talking to the Argon2 team we > decided to wait until Argon2 was finalized.=C2=A0 I suppose now is a g= ood
> time to resume that work.=C2=A0 I'll put something up on gitlab.com = so
> people can review and help.=C2=A0 If anyone wants to help, please let = me
> know and we'll coordinate something.
>
> /Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> openpgp mailing list
> openpgp@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp<= br> >



--
Joseph Lorenzo Hall
Chief Technologist
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I ST NW STE 1100
Washington DC 20006-4011
(p) 2= 02-407-8825
(f) 2= 02-637-0968
joe@cdt.org
PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key
fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10=C2=A0 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871



--
---------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Alex Biryu= kov,
FSTC/CSC, University of Luxembourg,
6, rue Richard Coudenhove-Ka= lergi,
L-1359 Luxembourg-Kirchberg
LUXEMBOURG
Tel:=C2=A0 +352 46 6= 6 44 6793
Fax: +352 46 66 44 5500


--
Joseph Lorenz= o Hall
Chief Technologist
Center for Democracy & Te= chnology
1634 I ST NW STE 1100
Washington DC 20006-4011= =C2=A0
(p) 202-407-8825
(f) 202-637-0968
fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 =C2= =A01607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871



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