Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft

Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Tue, 04 October 2022 14:40 UTC

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To: Justus Winter <justus@sequoia-pgp.org>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft
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Justus,

what you miss are numerous mails and chats between the editors and the
chairs after Stephen started the process to re-charter the WG in October
2020 and before we hat the DT mailing list.

> So we all agree that GnuPG was well represented in the design team.

No.  I asked Niibe-san to help with the final specification of the curve
parameters, because he is the one when it comes to implementation
experience on different platforms.  And only for that because everything
else was intended as editorial only.  Thus after our successful meeting
on 2021-08-13 there was nothing contentious anymore left.

> Contentiousness is in the eye of the beholder.  As you can see from the
> dt notes, we arrived at a document that is non-contentious enough so

You kept adding stuff which was not the original goal for the DT or the
charter.  Thus instead of blocking the WG you now used the DT team to
get your ideas into a new draft.  I call it: Disrupting a long and well
running OpenPGP forum/WG for fun and profit.

> that the dt presented its work to the broader working group.  Whatever
> your reasons were for leaving the dt, you did, and the dt continued the

I explained this numerous time:

- Aside of X448 parameter stuff only editorial things were left open.
- DKG and Paul did most of the editorial work anyway.
- The agreement between the chairs, Paul, and me was that they
  wanted me being listed as editor but Paul would do the actual work.

> Also, you keep saying you interop tested things.  Maybe you can point to
> when that happened, who was involved, what the methodology was, and what

Back then you and the other folks were well paid by my company to do
GnuPG work / finish an unrelated PhD.  Despite weekly requests by me to
help with rfc4880bis you refused to do that and instead continued to do
work on side tasks and instead had stealth negotiations with a
competitor who is now financing your Sequioa thing.

Thus RNP, Gniibe, and me did the interop testing of AEAD and V5 keys.

> results, and I did discover a lot of bugs in every implementation I
> tested, and I got a lot of those bugs fixed.

[Unfortunately it is not possible to fix all bugs because that would
 actually break interoperability.]


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner


p.s.
Justus, this is my final mail to you.  Do a not expect any further replies.

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