Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 17 February 2023 22:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft
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Hiya,

On 17/02/2023 22:19, Daniel Huigens wrote:
> I support this change.

Noted.

> I don't want to muddy the waters too much, but I've also created [!242]
> as an alternative to this, which defines new algorithm IDs for Ed25519,
> Ed448, X25519, and X448.

Hmm. Can you and Justus not get together please and kill one
of those MRs? Muddy waters may be great for music, but less
so for getting the last few things finally done where the WG
has previously failed to get things over the line.

S.