Re: [OPSAWG] New I-D -> Guidelines for Charactering "OAM"

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 08 January 2024 20:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] New I-D -> Guidelines for Charactering "OAM"
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Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@gmail.com> wrote:
    > The more practical approach, considering the above, seems to progress this
    > document as an RFC and use the same BCP 161 (as RFC6291) -- not sure how to
    > signal that in the I-D.

Yes, adding this new RFC to BCP161 would make sense.
I don't think that there is a specific way to signal this, except that you
are updating 6291, and you can write some text explaining why, and it would
go into the Shepherd write up.

    >> Path-Congruent is a nice technically accurate term.
    >> I'm just sure that congruent is a term that is easy to say.  It's very
    >> grade
    >> 9 geometry class. ("Congruent triangles")
    >> Probably it's also the case the native english speakers, if they do not
    >> know
    >> the term well, will assume something inaccurate, while non-native speakers
    >> will go
    >> look it up.
    >>

    > Very open to other suggestions -- we opted for optimizing technical
    > accuracy in descriptiveness. (Carlos, a non-native English speaker, who
    > looks up words in his native languages too)

Yes, so maybe it's not so terrible.  I agree that it's accurate.

    >> terms.  I thought I was going to learn more about in-band/out-of-band from
    >> a
    >> military radio point of view, and/or SS7 vs 2600Hz.
    >>

    > Thank you -- all fixed.

    > We'd welcome a citation from radio and/or SS7 telephony!

I don't have a good one; I didn't live through that.
Fidonet, Xmodem->Zmodem to UUCP to IP for me :-)

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