Re: [OPSAWG] draft-vaughn-tlstm-update-01 (TLSTM Update to support TLS 1.3)

Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@alumni.stanford.edu> Thu, 21 October 2021 06:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-vaughn-tlstm-update-01 (TLSTM Update to support TLS 1.3)
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Hi -

On 2021-10-20 8:38 PM, Kenneth Vaughn wrote:
> I would like to present 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vaughn-tlstm-update-01/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vaughn-tlstm-update-01/>. This 
> document is a proposal to update to RFC 6353 (TLS Transport Model for 
> SNMP) to reflect the needs of TLS 1.3.

It seems to me that the document combines two distinct proposals:
   (1) deprecating most of the MIB Module from RFC 6353
   (2) defining a new transport model and putting its management
       interface into the gutted shell left behind from 6353.

I think the document would be easier to digest if it were simply
crafted to be solely what its title says it is: a Transport Layer 
Security Verion 1.3 (TLS 1.3) Transport Model for SNMPv3.  Any
question of casting support for (D)TLS 1.2 into the outer darkness
of "historical" classification or deprecating 6353's MIB module's
definitions could then be handled separately.

Randy