Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark

Alex Huang Feng <alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr> Mon, 18 March 2024 06:55 UTC

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:55:24 +0900
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark
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Dear Carlos and Adrian,

As I said in the chat during the OPSAWG meeting, I also support this document.
I don’t have a lot of specific examples of how the terminology are confusing, but I am co-authoring draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-on-path-telemetry where it started as an inband telemetry protocol and then we were asked to change this terminology to “on-path telemetry protocol”. 
Also I haven’t been able to find a clear formal definition of “on-path telemetry protocol”.

Thanks for the document,
Alex

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 15:32, Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com wrote:
> 
> Dear Carlos and Adrian,
>  
> As the author of draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-on-path-telemetry, I care and value that you are defining OAM terminology. This is much needed. Count me on the list of people who misused the term inband previously.
>  
> I would appreciate of you could add also OAM node type. As an example in RFC 9398 for IOAM the following types are defined
>  
> IOAM encapsulation node
> IOAM transit node
> IOAM decapsulation node
>  
> It would be very useful to have an OAM protocol agnostic terminology.
>  
> Best wishes
> Thomas
>  
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