Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Wed, 26 June 2019 21:30 UTC
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:30:24 +0200
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD
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> On 26 Jun 2019, at 23:26, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > > Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: >>>> There will ALWAYS be a need for an administrator in the enterprise >>>> case. But maybe with the options above we can ease the consumer burden >>>> over time. In the consumer case, you might want an app for initial >>>> device admission control anyway, no? Can we not rely on that >>>> interaction as an approval step in this instance? >>> >>> I think we'd all like to have a generic app (with an RFC standard API) that >>> can onboard any device and can do admission control for any controller. >>> I think this is what you are saying as well. > >> Yes, but I was saying a bit more. Do you expect to fully automate the >> inclusion of a controller into a controller class in the home? How do >> you envision the full flow looking like? > > I expect to fully automate the inclusion of a controller into that class, > yes. I'd like to automate the device into the class too. > > Perhaps your point is that since the controller has to onboard (at the > layer-7) the device in anyway: can we leverage that? For devices that are designed as controllers, yes. > >>> yes, this is exactly what I was thinking about. >>> >>> Would "mud-urls" / "include" be mutually exclusive? > >> I don’t see why it would have to be. But now let’s back up, just to >> make sure we’re not digging too deep a hole for the application case >> that Ranga wants to get to. If the MUD protected device is declaring >> MUD URLs for MUD controllers and that is what all of this would boil >> down to, then the app case is really a completely separate mechanism, >> because apps don’t have MUD-URLs. > >> If we do a two-stage, then we need a completely separate draft for apps >> anyway, but I was hoping for some commonality. > > Hmm. > Indeed. But let’s not get wrapped around the axle here. I’ll try and have something out for the controller case, and then let’s talk about the other in Montreal. Ok? Eliot
- [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controller i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Michael Richardson
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] Declaring something to be a controll… Qin Wu
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… Eliot Lear
- Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a co… M. Ranganathan