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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It need not wait. We would adopt on this list if we adopt in opsawg. And = this work has already seen some discussion on-list today alone. As you say= , we have many of the interest IPFIX crowd here already. It also seems lik= e there is some IPPM cross-members to give this a proper holistic review. Speaking as a contributor, I read the draft when Thomas copied it here, and= I think it would fit with recent work being progressed through opsawg. Joe From: OPSAWG on behalf of Benoit Claise Date: Monday, March 18, 2024 at 23:23 To: Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com , ippm@ietf.org , opsawg@ietf.org , justin.iurman@uliege.be Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [ippm] draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport Dear all, On 3/19/2024 10:40 AM, Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com wrote: Dear Justin, Dear OPSAWG and IPPM working groups Thanks a lot for the presentation at IPPM. I believe that this work needs f= urther refinement by defining also IPFIX entities for IOAM which allow a de= composition of each IOAM dimension fields, thus enabling IPFIX Flow Aggrega= tion as described in RFC 7015 which is a requirement to scale out for IOAM = DEX and Trace Option Type. I believe this should be performed after the wor= king group adoption and me should move forward quickly since IOAM is now ge= tting implemented by vendors and applied by operators. While shepherding IPFIX at OPSAWG, I noticed that most discussions where ar= ound choosing the right data type and aligning with the IPFIX registry. Not= so much about exposing the right dimensions from the data plane. draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-on-path-telemetry is already adopted and well progr= essed at OPSAWG. I suggest that draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport is being = adopted together with draft-gfz-opsawg-ipfix-alt-mark. With that we are cov= ering both Hybrid Type options developed at IPPM. In order to pool the IPFIX entity definitions, I believe OPSAWG would be th= e best place to move with draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport forward. Regardless of the WG (*), I believe those two drafts should be adopted soon= . (*) OPSAWG or IPPM, it doesn't matter too much as we have the right expert = inputs anyway. I am a little concerned that OPSAWG meeting was yesterday, s= o if we ask for WG adoption, it would be typically at the next physical mee= ting in 4 months. IMO, waiting that long is not required Regards, Benoit I would appreciate feedback from IPPM and OPSAWG wherever they share my opi= nion or not. Best wishes Thomas _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --_000_BN9PR11MB537101FDD7E8621F3BF2DACFB82C2BN9PR11MB5371namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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It need not wait.  We would adopt on this list if we adopt in ops= awg.  And this work has already seen some discussion on-list today alo= ne.  As you say, we have many of the interest IPFIX crowd here already.  It also seems like there is some IPPM cross-members to= give this a proper holistic review.

</Chair>

 

Speaking as a contributor, I read the draft when Thomas copied it here= , and I think it would fit with recent work being progressed through opsawg= .

 

Joe

 

From: OPSAWG <opsawg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Benoit Claise <beno= it.claise=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Monday, March 18, 2024 at 23:23
To: Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com <Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com>, ippm@= ietf.org <ippm@ietf.org>, opsawg@ietf.org <opsawg@ietf.org>, ju= stin.iurman@uliege.be <justin.iurman@uliege.be>
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [ippm] draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport

Dear all,

On 3/19/2024 10:40 AM, Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com wrote:

Dear Justin, Dear OPSAWG = and IPPM working groups

 

Thanks a lot for the pres= entation at IPPM. I believe that this work needs further refinement by defi= ning also IPFIX entities for IOAM which allow a decomposition of each IOAM = dimension fields, thus enabling IPFIX Flow Aggregation as described in RFC 7015 which is a requirement to scale = out for IOAM DEX and Trace Option Type. I believe this should be performed = after the working group adoption and me should move forward quickly since I= OAM is now getting implemented by vendors and applied by operators.

 

While shepherding IPFIX a= t OPSAWG, I noticed that most discussions where around choosing the right d= ata type and aligning with the IPFIX registry. Not so much about exposing t= he right dimensions from the data plane.

 

draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-o= n-path-telemetry is already adopted and well progressed at OPSAWG. I sugges= t that draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport is being adopted together with dra= ft-gfz-opsawg-ipfix-alt-mark. With that we are covering both Hybrid Type options developed at IPPM.

 

In order to pool the IPFI= X entity definitions, I believe OPSAWG would be the best place to move with= draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport forward.

Regardless of the WG (*), = I believe those two drafts should be adopted soon.

(*) OPSAWG or IPPM, it doesn't matter too much as we have the right expert = inputs anyway. I am a little concerned that OPSAWG meeting was yesterday, s= o if we ask for WG adoption, it would be typically at the next physical mee= ting in 4 months. IMO, waiting that long is not required

Regards, Benoit

 

I would appreciate feedba= ck from IPPM and OPSAWG wherever they share my opinion or not.

 

Best wishes

Thomas

 



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