Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 02 July 2019 06:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Mud] Declaring something to be a controller in MUD
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Hi Ranga,

Sorry for the pre-mature send.

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 20:51, M. Ranganathan <mranga@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the essential difference between a device declaring itself to be a "controller" for another class and the situation where the device (being controlled) just uses the "model" abstraction in an ACE?
> 

You could indeed do this with “model”.  The reason I hadn’t thought of that was because in my mind, same-manufacturer and model were for NxN communications, and that it might be a hint to the NMS to use appropriate scale mechanisms.  But that’s not actually in the text.

I think, by the way, that there’s another reason to think about doing this from the controller side: if the standards are open like we like them to be, a device may not know who should be the controller for a particular device or class.

Eliot