Re: [OPSAWG] [IETF-OPSAWG-WG/lxnm] inbound/outbound terminology (Issue #353)

[tom petch <[e-mail]>]

From: Julian Lucek <[e-mail]>
Sent: 08 November 2021 08:40

Hi Med

This is great, thank you making the change. Would it be possible to make the same change in the L3NM as well?
<tp>

Julian

Note that L3NM has been approved by the IESG and is now in the RFC Editor's queue so making changes to it is a step backward in IETF processing and so could require some steps to be   performed a further time.

Tom Petch

thanks

Julian

On 08/11/2021, 07:14, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> wrote:

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    Hi Julian, all,

    The proposed change is now implemented in -10.

    Thank you for raising this.

    Cheers,
    Med

    > -----Message d'origine-----
    > De : Julian Lucek <[e-mail]>
    > Envoyé : vendredi 29 octobre 2021 13:08
    > À : Joe Clarke (jclarke) <[e-mail]>; tom petch
    > <[e-mail]>; Joe Clarke (jclarke)
    > <jclarke=[e-mail]>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET
    > <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
    > Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] [IETF-OPSAWG-WG/lxnm] inbound/outbound terminology
    > (Issue #353)
    >
    >
    >
    >     > “But I would urge you to change the terminology to "PE-to-CE-
    > bandwidth" /"CE-to-PE-bandwidth" to make it super-explicit, the current
    > terminology has been causing endless confusion to implementers (I realise
    > it's inherited from the service models, but changing the terminology in
    > LXNM would cure the problem well)”
    >     > All, Julian raised early this week a comment about an L2NM
    > terminology we are inheriting from the service model. The full context of
    > this discussion can be seen at:
    > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/IETF-OPSAWG-
    > WG/lxnm/issues/353__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!ReRxmR5F6z_pKtX7BhgdObWeu4Fcy-
    > LBM0ZthSDuvFlmOdmDYHq0tMvAIHpYPusN$ .
    >     >
    >     > As a contributor, reading the current draft text in conjunction with
    > the YANG model description, I agree with Julian.  It's confusing.  Typo
    > aside, I had to jump back and forth a couple of times to grok things
    > correctly.  Aligning the terminology in the module with text in Section
    > 7.6.4 in terms of CE vs. PE and direction would help.
    >     >
    >     > <tp>
    >     >
    >     > Or you could align it with l3nm where a similar issue was raised and
    > the wording was changed to make it clearer.  The wording does not use PE
    > or CE, and is the wording that that the  IESG has approved!
    >
    >     Yes, I see what you mean.  They were very clear in those descriptions,
    >     even addressing the SM discrepancies.
    >
    >     Joe
    >
    > It would be highly preferable for the leaf names to be self-explanatory,
    > for the benefit of those reading the model itself or using auto-generated
    > structures derived from it. In v18 of the l3nm, the leaf names are
    > "inbound-bandwidth" and "outbound-bandwidth" so one needs to read the
    > description to understand from whose perspective those directions are.
    >
    > Julia
    >
    >
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