Re: [OPSEC] [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls-proxy-bp

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Thu, 30 July 2020 05:24 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:23:56 -0700
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Subject: Re: [OPSEC] [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls-proxy-bp
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:48 PM Eric Wang (ejwang) <ejwang=
40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> To echo the ickiness part…   Putting on my end user hat, if I have to take
> it with an enterprise device on the enterprise network, I would rather it
> be done securely, respecting my privacy...  If I’m on my home network, I
> want an easy way to detect and reject it, no matter it is from a vendor,
> provider or state.  At this time, there seems no easy way on either side.
>

I don't think this makes sense.

thanks,
Rob