Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2
"Glen Kent" <glen.kent@gmail.com> Thu, 18 December 2008 01:14 UTC
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> 1: OSPF with Digital Signatures >> >> OSPF with Digital Signatures is an existing mechanism (RFC-2154). >> Is it discussed at the same level of detail as other mechanisms ? Please stop harping about 2154. Its experimental and you may want to read the Tao of IETF to understand what that means. > > > 2: Filtering of IGP packets >>> >>> I have mentioned cases where they may not be able to be filtered. >> >> Which specific cases ? Please provide a URL for your note to the OPsec >> list where you detailed those cases. I have looked, and I can't find >> that note in the OPsec list web archives, terribly sorry. > > This is an immediate operational security issue, if true. > I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd like to understand > the claim more precisely. I think the context here was IPSec since ESP packets cannot be filtered. > > > 3: User interest in SHA mechanisms for IGP authentication >> >> Do you know of anyone other than US DoD that wants this ? >> (US DoD are the only ones that I can identify, and they are >> saying their interest is only for "policy reasons".) >> >> If so, which users ? which RFPs ? Providers may not be open in accepting this for various policy, political reasons. > > > 4: Availability of SHA mechanisms for IGP authentication >> >> Further, there are no known shipping implementations of >> SHA authentication for any IETF-specified IGP. >> (I don't know of any that are even "in progress".) >>> >>> We know of a few including a big router vendor. :)) > > Which ? How many ? When ? > Are they shipping now or in progress now ? Vendors may not be always willing to share this information. Glen _______________________________________________ OPSEC mailing list OPSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec
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- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
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- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
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- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Bhatia, Manav (Manav)
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Bhatia, Manav (Manav)
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] Prospective issue with IPsec ESP-NULL… Darrel Lewis (darlewis)
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- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Bhatia, Manav (Manav)
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Bhatia, Manav (Manav)
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 RJ Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 RJ Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Glen Kent
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 RJ Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
- [OPSEC] FW: minutes part 2 Michael Barnes
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- Re: [OPSEC] FW: minutes part 2 Michael Barnes
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- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 R Atkinson
- Re: [OPSEC] minutes part 2 Vishwas Manral
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