Re: [OPSEC] Opsdir early review of draft-ietf-opsec-v6-13

Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> Sun, 14 February 2021 15:55 UTC

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From: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
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Hi Eric,

> On 8 Feb 2021, at 15:50, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Tim,
> 
> Better very late than never… Having some time this week to make some progress on this I-D... I hope to publish a -22 before the IETF-110.

Good luck with that!

> Some comments on the outdated review are prefixed with EV>
> 
> Thank you for your review :-)

The rewritten sections look a lot better.  Everything you’ve said below inline seems ok, but I guess we’ll be re-reading the fine final draft soon?

>    There are seven pages on transition technologies; might that be better homed in
>    a -bis of RFC 4942?
> 
> EV> we tried to be exhaustive and gather all (?) references in this single document even at the expense of 7 pages.

Fair enough, and a -bis of 4942 could be another epic undertaking!

>    The recommendation to use PI for a larger network implicitly means no NPTv6?
> 
> EV> the text has been modified in more recent versions.

Seems a good compromise, though invariably contentious.

>    p.13
> 
>    A lot of text on something hardly used?
> 
> EV> let's leave the SeND text here anyway for archival __

I guess so, but that “over a decade” since specification is soon two decades :)

Best wishes,
Tim