draft minutes OSIDS-Houston 5th Nov.

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Hi!

Here is my version of the minutes of the 2nd half of the OSI-DS WG
meeting held in Houston. I contacted Mark and Ken to get their input as
my notes were inadequate. If you said something or want something that
happenned to be recorded in the official minutes, please drop me a note
latest by Monday, 15th November. 

Steve, if there are comments, I will add them in and submit the final
version on Tuesday, 16th November 1993.

Best regards,

Sri Sataluri
AT&T Bell Laboratories/InterNIC Directory and Database Services
[phone]; [e-mail] or [e-mail]

************************* FIRST DRAFT ***************************************
      Minutes of the 2nd Segment of the Twelfth OSI-DS Meeting
                      held at the IETF at Houston
                        5th November 1993. 
                    Submitted by Sri Sataluri
             Special Thanks to Mark Prior and Ken Rossen
                        =================

Liaisons
 
*  ISO/IEC/ITU-T (Ken Rossen)
   (ITU-T is the successor organization to CCITT)
 
   There has been no meeting of the ISO/IEC Directory group=20 since
   the previous report to the IETF.  Work on Management of the
   Directory is receiving the most attention, with an interim meeting
   of the Directory group expected for=20 February 1994 in Geneva in
   order to focus on progressing this work.

   The ITU last-call ballot on the ITU-T X.500 1993 extensions, which
   is the last hurdle to be cleared by the new edition of the standard,
   is drawing to a close.  This vote is expected to be uneventful, and
   to allow publication of the 1993 [ISO/IEC 9594 | The ITU-T X.500
   Series of Recommendations] before the end of the year.

   Output documents from the last ISO/IEC/ITU Directory group meeting
   are available from the OIW DS SIG archive (see below).  Ken Rossen
   <[e-mail]> or Hoyt Kesterson <[e-mail]> can supply
   further information, if needed.

*  OIW DS SIG (Ken Rossen)

   The DS SIG has been devoting most of its effort to contributions to
   the ISO work on Directory Management and collaborative work with the
   X.400 API Assocation (XAPIA) on Directory Synchronization.

   In Directory Management, the SIG has been soliciting and reviewing
   MIBs and management models from a variety of sources (including
   relevant IETF drafts) and, at its December meeting, will consider
   generating a working paper for input to the next ISO/IEC/ITU
   meeting.  Of particular interest to the SIG has been a management
   requirements document and GDMO-defined MIB for the Directory written
   up in a paper from the University of Missouri - Kansas City by a
   team led by Dr. Adrian Tang.

   The synchronization work arose in the XAPIA as an endeavor to
   address the problem of keeping LAN E-Mail directory information
   current across heterogeneous technologies, and in the DS SIG as an
   effort also to provide for interworking and eventual migration to
   X.500.  The SIG has proposed that lightweight versions of=20
   Directory protocols (DISP, DAP, or a combination) be used to model
   the X.500/propietary directory interaction, and vendors have also
   supplied several now-proprietary schemes as alternatives.  This
   group will meet in November in Mountain View, and jointly in
   conjunction with the next DS SIG meeting in Gaithersburg in
   December.

   The DS SIG mailing list is accessible by writing to
   [e-mail], and the archive of working documents
   including notes on all of the above is on
   nemo.ncsl.nist.gov:pub/oiw/dssig For more information, contact Ken
   Rossen <[e-mail]>om>.

*  NADF (Tim Howes)

   Tim reported that the NADF has now created an "user organization"
   membership category. Thus NADF will now comprise of both providers
   and users of directory services. The pilot is on-going. The next
   meeting of the NADF is at Reston, Virginia, the week of November
   8th, 1993.

*  AARNet (Mark Prior)

   AARNet Engineering Working Group (AEWG).
   AARNet have formed an AARNet Engineering Working Group to provide
   advice to AARNet on operational issues. The existing working groups,
   including the Directory Services WG, will be motherhooded into this
   new structure. The AEWG will be offically announced in a couple of
   weeks at the Australian Networkshop (Nov 30 - Dec 3).

   New ISODE Binary kits.
   The AARNet DS WG have produced two updates to their binary kit
   releases, one for DEC MIPS and the other Sun SPARC.  These kits are
   based on ISODE 8.0. I expect yet another release to happen soon that
   incorporates LDAP 3.0. These kits are available on archie.au.

   Shadowing reorganisation.
   In Australia we try to shadow all country level EDB files in order
   to improve local performance (all other DSA's have Bush Dog
   configurated as a preferDSA). This has worked OK but we are getting
   reliability problems due to Quipu going into a coma while fetching a
   new EDB file, this is especially impacting Anaconda the Australian
   master.

   We hope to reorganise our DSAs so that only Bush Dog does the remote
   fetches, thus allowing Anaconda to be available for local update.

   We would also like to see other countries make the EDB file
   available for anonymous ftp and that way we could do some non X.500
   based shadowing.

   This wouldn't be a problem if there was an incremental EDB update
   facility.

   Public access to the directory from archie.au We run a public access
   point to the directory on archie.au (userid=de) and last month there
   were just over 4000 accesses to this facility and nearly 10,000
   queries made to the directory.

   Mark sends his thanks for the IETF for multicasting this meeting and
   thus permitting him to participate. Further, he appreciates all
   speakers for using the microphone.

*  PARADISE (Roland Hedberg)

   There was no PARADISE meeting since the Amsterdam IETF. The next
   meeting is scheduled for November 1993 in London, England.  The
   PARADISE project will officially end in April 1994. The future of
   the project is as yet unknown and will be the subject of discussion
   at the next meeting. PARADISE is on the verge of releasing the
   Bulkloading tools. Paul Barker has just sent out a Request For
   Comments on possible additions to the DE client.

*  NREN-NIS (Sri Sataluri)

   The InterNIC Directory and Database Services is running a level-0
   DSA named "Pied Tamarin" for c=US. This DSA slaves almost all data
   mastered by cn=Alpaca and permits slave updates.

   So far, 28 organizations are using the InterNIC facilities to list
   their organizations. The Gopher to X.500 gateway is the most heavily
   used DUA interface. We also use the ISODE QUIPU 8.0 DE as a
   public-access DUA and have not yet upgraded to later versions.  We
   are waiting for a response from the RARE Operational Unit granting
   permission for us to use the software.

Schema WG (Sri Sataluri, Tim Howes, Ken Rossen, and Russ Wright)

   Goals.
   * To identify a repository and appropriate useful formats
     for publicizing and distributing schema elements (object classes
     and attributes) to the Internet community.

   * To facilitate broad-based experimentation with new
     applications of X.500 by publicizing experimental schema
     elements.

   * To maintain a stable production schema for the Internet,
     including definitions both for common core of elements and
     application-specific subschemas.

   A draft document was sent out to the osi-ds mailing list on November
   4th, 1993. If you need a copy please send mail to [e-mail].
   A revised form of this document (Procedures and Guidelines) will be
   released as an internet-draft in the first week of December and
   should eventually become an Informational RFC. Hence, please send
   your comments ASAP to [e-mail] and/or
   [e-mail].

   In addition to the procedures document, the schema group will
   publish a standards-track RFC that will document the "core Internet
   Schema" (successor to RFC 1274) and an informational RFC documenting
   the current Internet Schema will be issued on a six-month update
   cycle.

   The schema group will announce the availability of the "Internet
   Schema" and will start accepting updates on 1st December, 1993.

   Comments, suggestions, and submissions should be sent to
                 [e-mail]
   As and when the "Internet Schema" gets updated, an announcement will
   be sent out using a mailing-list "[e-mail]".net".
   To join this list, please drop a note to
		 [e-mail]

RFC 1384 Update - X.500 Naming Guidelines (Steve Kille)

   The members agreed to progress this document as an informational RFC.
   Please send your comments to the authors and/or to the list ASAP.
 
Charter Discussion

   The Area Director Erik Huizer presented a short summary of the
   previous day's meeting. Here are the salient points:

     - The OSI-DS working group in its present form can not continue
       and should be disbanded and a set of small focussed WGs need to
       be set up.

     - WHOIS++ and X.500 address similar issues and hence common
       problems need to be identified and worked on. Resources are too
       scarce for duplication of effort.

   Strategy (proposed by Steve Kille and accepted by everyone):
   Identify a set of WGs that will work on the open issues
   of the OSI-DS WG and prepare charters for these new WGs. The
   charters and the need for more or fewer WGs should be discussed in
   the osi-ds mailing lists. By the Seattle IETF, the new WGs should
   be constituted and the OSI-DS WG should be disbanded.

   There was strong support for continuing to maintain the osi-ds
   mailing-list.

   Here is the WG list that was composed at the meeting, together
   with the possible chairperson.

     - Lightweight Protocols for Access and Synchronization
       (LDAP, CLDAP, SOS, SOLO, etc.) -- Tim Howes.

     - Data Structure and Schema Management (will use a design team 
       approach for schema issues; deal with Naming issues)
       -- Sri Sataluri.

     - Index Services and Distributed Search (Index DSAs, Centroids, 
       etc.) -- Simon Spero

     - Use of Directory for Network Management -- Glenn Mansfield

     - URN --> URL Resolution

     Comments from Participants:

     @ Jill Foster: Agreed with the need for the Data Structure and
       Schema group and asked that similar efforts in other groups
       should also be folded in.

     @ Ken Rossen: Split access and sync issues.

     @ Steve Kille: Please do not fragment the work into too many things.

     @ Sri Sataluri: There is widespread desire for creating a group
       to discuss operational issues. This motion was seconded later
       by Linda Millington, Mark Prior, and Arlene Getchell.

     @ Erik Huizer: Operations issues must be dealt with in the
       operations area. There are plans to create an IOTF (Internet
       Operations Task Force) since, in several projects the technical
       work is more or less finished and operations issues are becoming
       vital. Until the IOTF is formed use the IDS WG to get the operations
       work done.

     @ Simon Spero: In the IIIR WG meeting the issue of forming a WG to
       discuss Quality Assurance Issues for X.500, Gopher, WAIS, WHOIS++,
       etc. has been discussed. There will sure be a BOF at the Seattle
       IETF. A mailing-list [e-mail] is being formed to
       discuss the quality issues. To join, send a note to
                     [e-mail]
       with the following body,
                     subscribe quality <your email address>