Draft IETF X400-OPS minutes of the Columbus meeting

[Urs Eppenberger <[e-mail]>]

Dear Colleagues,

here are the draft minutes of our last meeting. Please read it and send
comments until Friday April 30.

Kind regards,

Urs Eppenberger, SWITCH, MHS Coordination Service

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                         Draft Minutes of the
                                   
      Seventh Meeting of the IETF X.400 Operations Working Group
                                   
                       Columbus, March 31, 1993


Acting Chair: Allan Cargille, XNREN, US
Minutes: Urs Eppenberger, SWITCH, CH


Agenda of the meeting

9:30  -  9:45  Introduction
9:45  - 10:00  Action list review
10:00 - 10:20  Liaison Reports
10:20 - 10:30  Review Charter
10:30 - 10:45  GO-MHS Community Document
10:45 - 12:00  Review X.400 operations documents:
1:40  -  2:20  Presentation by Jeroen Houttuin on "Mail based servers"
2:20  -  3:20  Presentation by Marko Kaittola on "Table Distribution"
3:20  -  3:30  Any Other Business and Plan for next meeting in Amsterdam


The minutes do not follow the agenda but provide two main sections,
liaison reports and document status. All agenda items have been grouped
into these two sections. A list of actions is appended to make it
easier for the WG chairmen to chase people up.
The minutes of the last X400-OPS meeting in Washington DC are approved.
The chapter on the overall goals in the charter of the X400-OPS group
needs to be reviewed. The references to OPS-* should be replaced by the
names of the documents in the Internet Drafts directory. The title and
time scale of draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt (OPS-6) is not
realistic.


Liaison Reports

o  IETF MHS-DS Working Group
   The main focus is on the establishment of a pilot to gain
   operational experience.  The first step is to get routing
   information into the directory.  The idea is to have something to
   demonstrate at the next IETF in Amsterdam.

o  RARE WG-MSG Working Group on Mail and Messaging
   A task force works on a number of documents on X.400(88) deployment.
   A lot of other documents have been sent for comments to both X400-
   OPS and WG-MSG.
   WG-MSG is not a WG in the IETF sense, it is more like an IETF area
   since it covers all mail protocols and is an ongoing group which may
   split off chartered task forces.
   WG-MSG has been approached by Allan if the postmaster document would
   be appropriate to be published as RARE Technical Report (RTR). The
   chairman of WG-MSG, Harald T. Alvestrand is positive about it. It



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   might be bundled with the GO-MHS requirement.

o  EMA Electronic Mail Association
   Nothing was reported

o  EEMA European Electronic Mail Association
   Jim Romaguera reported from EEMA.  He has been approached by some
   ADMD service providers with questions concerning the connection of
   their services to the Internet.  He will forward the questions to
   the X400-OPS list.
   Most interesting activities are in the EEMA PRMD operators group and
   in the EEMA ADMD operators group.  The problem is that they do not
   have electronic mailing lists for their discussions but do it with
   paper mail. Maybe we could offer them to host distribution lists and
   archives?
   
o  COSINE-MHS Project
   The new services is called MHS Coordination Service.  SWITCH got a
   contract by RARE to provide the staff and the required facilities.
   RARE is the umbrella organisation for research and academic networks
   in Europe.  The contract will be moved to the Operational Unit, once
   they started operation.  The European members contribute to cost
   based on a cost key which is not fully decided yet, but key elements
   are number of served organisations within a network and if the
   network uses the mapping tables or has registered a mapping.  50% of
   the total cost will be covered by the Commission of the European
   Countries.  It is possible that networks which use the MHS
   Coordination Service outside Europe will be asked for a contribution
   too.
   It does make sense to have a single body coordinating the Internet
   X.400 efforts and the previous COSINE-MHS service. The new service
   will be called GO-MHS, where GO stands for Global Open. Erik Huizer
   is chartered to make sure that a political basis is found to have
   such a central coordination point funded. It must be open for
   everybody to get registered. The cost for the members should be
   split in consulting, registration and ongoing support. The MHS
   Coordination Service will work out the procedures on how to join:
   whom to ask, what does it cost, ...
   The GO-MHS community document has been accepted as is. The members
   of the GO-MHS community will have the change authority on this
   document. It is highly probable that CLNS will be added as a
   mandatory service as soon as more WEPs do support this stack.
   
o  IESG Internet Engineering Steering Group
   Erik Huizer as one of the two applications area directors reported
   from IESGs decision to create an Application Area Directorate which
   will investigate overall concepts for networked applications.
   Priority is set for email and the character set issue.
   The document on Mail Based Servers is considered of broader interest
   and will be taken out of the X400-OPS group to be worked on by email
   experts for the SMTP and X.400 protocols. However, the current
   version will be used as a requirements document by the MHS
   Coordination Service.

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Document status

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt
Old:    OPS-1
Title:  Operational Requirements for X.400 Management Domains in the
        GO-MHS Community
Status: This document will be sent to the IESG for consideration as
        Informational RFC. Typos can still be sent to Alf Hansen.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt
Old:    OPS-2a
Title:  Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
        Tables
Status: See next document

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
Old:    OPS-2b
Title:  Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
        Tables
Status: Both documents have been sent to IESG for consideration as
        Experimental RFCs. Some IAB and IESG members consider the
        proposal as a misuse of DNS. A separate meeting is scheduled
        at this IETF to discuss this issue. The result may lead to a
        change of the documents 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-
        02.txt' and 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'. A
        document on how to implement and integrate the proposals into
        the current service will be written by Claudio Allocchio and
        submitted as ID.
        A pilot for table distribution is already in place with a
        central server for the tables in Italy. A library of a few
        functions for building address converters and DNS loading
        tools together with a draft manual have just been finalised.
        It is not suggested to use this software until the issue of
        where in the tree to store the information has been solved.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mhs-service-05.txt
Old:    OPS-3
Title:  Routing coordination for X.400 MHS services within a multi
        protocol / multi network environment
        Table Format V3 for static routing
Status: It has been sent to the IESG for consideration as Experimental
        Standard. The answer is expected soon.
        A number of typos have been reported during the meeting. Typos
        may still be sent to the author Urs Eppenberger.
        The migration of the MHS Coordination Service to the new
        document format will start when the RFC is announced.








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ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mapsmail-02.txt
Old:    OPS-4
Title:  Mapping between X.400(1984/1988) and Mail-11 (DECnet mail)
Status: It has been accepted by the IESG as Experimental Standard RFC
        1405.
        HEPNET is a very large Mail-11 user community connected to
        X.400 and Internet SMTP. They have been made aware of RFC1405
        (contact for the mail coordination group is Maria Dimou at
        CERN). RFC1405 has been implemented in the GIVEME gateway of
        INFN. It will also be integrated into PMDF from Innosoft.
        (Kevin, does CDC have a gateway to Mail-11?)

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt
Old:    OPS-5
Title:  X.400 use of extended character sets
Status: The document will be submitted by Harald Alvestrand to the
        IESG for consideration as Internet Standard.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt
Old:    OPS-6
Title:  Table distribution
Status: The concept was presented by Marko Kaittola. The title of the
        document will change to reflect more unambiguous its content.
        The question has been raised if this document can be enhanced
        to offer a similar mechanism for email routing updates as RIP
        is for IP routers. The conclusion is that this is much more
        complex and needs more work. The document will offer a
        pragmatic solution for tables. An updated document is expected
        for the next IETF with the comments received. The
        implementation is planned to start after the next IETF in
        Amsterdam.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt
Old:    OPS-7
Title:  Assertion of C=US A=IMX
        This document is basically ready. A warning should be added
        that PRMD names are limited to 16 characters. The IESG is not
        in favour putting it on the standard track. It will therefore
        be submitted as Informational RFC, but nevertheless sent to
        IESG to get an official review. The IANA will act as registry
        even if the document is not defining a Standard.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-evaluation-admd-00.txt
Old:    OPS-8
Title:  Evaluation of ADMDs and Integration aspects with respect to
        the R&D messaging community
Status: The document has been distributed as ID at Feb 26, 1993.
        Comments are welcome. It has not been discussed during the
        meeting. It is planned as Informational RFC.





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ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt
Old:    OPS-9
Title:  Postmaster Convention for X.400 Operations
Status: The document has been accepted by the group as is. It should
        be advanced as Proposed Standard.

ID:     not submitted yet
Old:    OPS-10
Title:  Explanation of how DNS should be used for Address Mapping and
        Routing purposes
Status: See status report on 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'.

ID:     not submitted yet
Old:    -
Title:  RFC1327 mapping authorities
Status: Comments are requested. A new version with the comments
        integrated from the last MHS Managers meeting in Zurich will
        probably be ready by end of April. The next face to face
        meeting on this document is planned for RARE WG-MSG at JENC 93
        in Trondheim.


































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Action list

1  Jim Romaguera to forward the questions from the ADMD operators to
   the X400-OPS list.
2  Erik Huizer to work out a possibility to base the coordination point
   for the GO-MHS community on a sound political basis.
3  The MHS Coordination Service to work out procedures for new members
   of the GO-MHS community to join the coordination service.
4  Alf Hansen to send draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt to the
   IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer for
   consideration of the document as an Informational RFC.
5  Claudio Allocchio to report to the X400-OPS group on the results of
   the discussion with IAB/IESG on the usage of DNS for mapping/routing
   tables.
6  Claudio Allocchio to update the documents draft-ietf-x400ops-
   dnsx400maps-02.txt and draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
   according the results of action point 5.
7  Claudio Allocchio to write a document on the implementation of the
   two proposals from action point 6.
8  Urs Eppenberger to wait for the decision of the IESG on his
   document, do the  final modifications and send it to the RFC Editor.
9  Harald T. Alvestrand to send draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt
   to the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer
   for consideration of the document as Proposed Standard.
10 Marko Kaittola to update his document according the comments
   received, choose a new title and prepare a new version for the next
   IETF meeting in Amsterdam.
11 Einar Stefferud to integrate the final comments to the document
   draft-ietf-x400ops-evaluation-admd-00.txt and then send it to the
   IESG Secretariat for consideration as Informational RFC.
12 Jim Romaguera to update his document after a final call for comments
   and send it to the RFC Editor for consideration as Informational
   RFC.
13 Allan Cargille to send draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt to the
   IESG Secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer for
   consideration of the document as Proposed Standard.
14 All WG members to send comments to the mapping authority paper in a
   timely fashion to the list or to Jeroen Houttuin to allow him to
   create a new version for the next RARE WG-MSG meeting at JENC 93 in
   Trondheim.
15 Tony Genovese and Alf Hansen to propose a revised version of the
   charter.












Eppenberger, SWITCH                                            [Page 6]