Re: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse
Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net> Mon, 17 July 2017 04:31 UTC
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From: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>
To: Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com>, Abhay Roy <akr@cisco.com>, "ospf@ietf.org" <ospf@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse
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Subject: Re: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse
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OSPF WG, There has been a long debate on this draft, probably the most discussed in OSPF WG. The major contention point with this draft has been around 1. Definition of TE and Non-TE applications. The draft still uses the terminology of TE and non-TE applications without defining the meaning of what is considered TE and what is non-TE. 2. There are implementations that make use of TE LSAs for the purpose of implementing [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability] and [I-D.psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection]. Normative language is required to make sure application such as RSVP and LFA do not suddenly become invalid because one vendor chooses to implement this draft and stops advertising link attributes in TE LSAs. The backward compatibility section specifies "When an OSPF routing domain includes routers using link attributes from TE Opaque LSAs for Non-RSVP TE applications such as LFA, OSPF routers in that domain should continue to advertise such TE Opaque LSAs." In order to make sure operators do not end up seeing inter-op issues due to different vendors implementing the draft at different times a normative language such as below MUST be used. "Routers in the OSPF Domain MUST continue to advertise TE Opaque LSAs, when there are applications that make use of TE Opaque LSAs.In the interest of backward compatibility, implementations MUST implement appropriate knobs to facilitate advertisement of link attributes in TE LSAs. Implementations MUST also support processing link attributes advertised in TE-LSAs. A separate IETF draft MAY be wriiten in future when the deployments are mature enough to move completely to the advertisements defined in this draft" 3. The encodings for the recent addition "Application Specific Values" has scope for improvement. Having seperate Masks for standard and user defined applications does not seem necessary. 4. Acee's reference to different OSPF LSAs and comparing them to Chicken, egg and the Rooster describes the problem aptly in one sentence. Chicken and egg problem is age old in OSPF and all implementations have handled it very well. Handling rooster wouldn't have been as difficult but with this draft, chicken, egg and the rooster have moved from vendor's backyard to operator's front yard. Operator's have to co-ordinate which vendor advertises what attributes in which LSA and which node/link in the network should have which knobs turned on. Deployment consideration section needs to consider various cases of upgrade process. There is definitely need for text describing how the advertisements would look like if RSVP, LFA-manageability and SR-TE are deployed together. These comments on the draft are an effort to make sure existing IETF standardized applications would not break when new enhancements are introduced. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xuxiaohu Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:20 PM To: Abhay Roy <akr@cisco.com>; ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse I have read this draft and support the WG adoption. Xiaohu > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Abhay Roy > 发送时间: 2017年7月4日 2:37 > 收件人: ospf@ietf.org > 主题: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse > > We would like to kick-off a poll for WG adoption of the following > document (per Authors request): > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse > > Please let us know if you support or have concerns with OSPF WG > adopting this work. > > Regards, > -Abhay > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf
- [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-ospf-te… Abhay Roy
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Peter Psenak
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Keyur Patel
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Naiming Shen (naiming)
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Yingzhen Qu
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… tte
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Qin Wu
- [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [OSPF] 答复: WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak… Peter Psenak
- Re: [OSPF] WG adoption poll for draft-ppsenak-osp… Abhay Roy