Re: [OSPF] Adrian Farrel's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-14: (with DISCUSS)

"Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> Tue, 10 February 2015 15:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OSPF] Adrian Farrel's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-14: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi Adrian,
 
I think it should be clear now:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-15.tx
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I also fixed some misspelling introduced in the -14 version.

Thanks,
Acee 

On 2/9/15, 4:18 PM, "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

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>I've trimmed by Discuss to remove the pieces you have handled. Many
>thanks for that.
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>> Does this document really update 5340?
>> There is no mention of what this update is or why it is considered a
>> part of the standard implementation of OSPFv3 to include the features
>> described in this document.
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>> I suggest either dropping the update or clarifying how it works.
>>
>> (Note that idnits should have flagged this to you, but the shepherd
>> write-up says that this document doesn't change the status of any
>> existing RFCs.)
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>We discussed this a little, and I got the impression that the conclusion
>was that "update" really was intended.
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>In this case you need to (as also discussed):
>- make this clear in the Abstract (as indicated by idnits)
>- spend some time in the document (probably the Introduction) explaining
>how the update works (which is, I believe you are saying, that all new
>implementations of OSPFv3 are expected to include support for this
>feature).
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>I do see that you have added to the Introduction:
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>   This document describes
>   extensions to OSPFv3 to enable it to operate in these environments.
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>But that is ambiguous. Are the "MUST"s in this document mandatory
>behaviour for an implementation of OSPFv3 or for an implementation of
>this document which is an option for OSPFv3 implementations? I don't
>think this is hard to write down, but I don't know what you are trying to
>achieve.
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