Re: [OSPF] [manet] Last Call: <draft-ietf-ospf-manet-single-hop-mdr-03.txt> (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC

Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com> Mon, 17 June 2013 12:36 UTC

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From: Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com>
To: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [OSPF] [manet] Last Call: <draft-ietf-ospf-manet-single-hop-mdr-03.txt> (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC
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Subject: Re: [OSPF] [manet] Last Call: <draft-ietf-ospf-manet-single-hop-mdr-03.txt> (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC
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Hi Abdu,

On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:56 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:

Hi Acee,

I distinguish between the word MANET and OSPF they are not the same thing but all are for same IETF. One is a network and the other is a protocol, so the network is more general than a protocol in terms of applicability.

Agreed.

The RFC5614 is specification related to the MANET network, but I know that this WG done the work, but I always think it is important to have joint work between related WGs participants not separation within IETF. All RFCs are for the same IETF so they should be related some how.

At a high level, I agree and this is why we have an IETF Last Call. In practice, the alignment of multiple WGs with overlapping charters is a difficult problem. However, in this specific case, I don't agree that it is desirable for there to be alignment. RFC 5444 is about packet formats and encoding for protocols in the MANET WG (as opposed to MANET networks in the broader sense). Hence, I don't see that it has applicability here and it may not even have applicability to MANET protocols that predate it.

Thanks,
Acee



Abdu


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com<mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com>> wrote:
Abdu,

This is an extension to an existing OSPF specification (FRC 5614). Even if it weren't, the OSPF WG has no mandate to adhere to RFC 5444 or any other MANET WG documents. Since this work was previously done in the OSPF WG, there is no reason to even consider bringing it to MANET (although we welcome their review).

Thanks,
Acee

On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:

> The following were first of my comments on the document and I got some answers;
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg15401.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg15418.html
>
> Answers
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg15408.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg79931.html
>
> As a request from the chair and for wg information, after I got to be
> subscribed in this WG. Thanking you,
>
> AB
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