Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter

Kurt Tutschku <kurt.tutschku@univie.ac.at> Wed, 22 October 2008 10:29 UTC

Return-Path: <p2pi-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: p2pi-archive@ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-p2pi-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839FF3A6AFC; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:29:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: p2pi@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: p2pi@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786E03A6A2E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:29:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.43
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UDj-kL41wWJ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from grace.univie.ac.at (grace.univie.ac.at [IPv6:2001:62a:4:25::25:115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243A53A690E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=univie.ac.at; s=rev1; h=Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: References; bh=8M4eqxPoSdzDR7vS75S25O/jO6G/4K0PjB/54Ttt7/Y=; b=m mmVCeNKgP8MAaQBgvIKXSXhe7MoQLM/VgQnG5E3Mg+3ekgQ/D6ktUUKdh/8yXx1J PAa5eG2O1PpsMO5xF2qYJWCinTu48duFwQRxpJRTETDP0T95BNS2FTC/Pej0xT4d bvxt0M5CyfT6Z/KJeuUQly5cRrz4pMU8bEXFCiucDY=
Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <kurt.tutschku@univie.ac.at>) id 1KsazM-0003e6-91; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:30:52 +0200
Received: from styx.pri.univie.ac.at ([131.130.37.129] helo=[172.24.66.45]) by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <kurt.tutschku@univie.ac.at>) id 1KsazM-0002QP-6B; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:30:52 +0200
Message-Id: <0DF0CA59-35E9-48C5-B8F9-AB7A5655D797@univie.ac.at>
From: Kurt Tutschku <kurt.tutschku@univie.ac.at>
To: Michael Welzl <michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at>
In-Reply-To: <1224662013.3728.44.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:30:51 +0200
References: <AE465507-305C-41A4-BE95-311BB628064B@shlang.com> <B5A5E01F9387F4409E67604C0257C71E660E5F@NDJSEVS25A.ndc.nasa.gov> <20081021165051.GA64367@zod.isi.edu> <026F8EEDAD2C4342A993203088C1FC05088E47F0@esealmw109.eemea.ericsson.se> <48FEC5C9.6060101@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <48FED1E8.7080101@ericsson.com> <1224662013.3728.44.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2)
Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org, tana@ietf.org, p2pi@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
X-BeenThere: p2pi@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: P2P Infrastructure Discussion <p2pi.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi>, <mailto:p2pi-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/p2pi>
List-Post: <mailto:p2pi@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:p2pi-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi>, <mailto:p2pi-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes"
Sender: p2pi-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: p2pi-bounces@ietf.org

Dear honored colleagues,

I think "LETBET" is nice to remember, but is my opinion very dangerous.

The part of "BET" in the name recalls me some associations with  
auctions and bandwidth broker systems (see RFC 2638).

I think TANA should and will distinguish itself from previous work.  
Therefore, I would be in favor of another name.

Best Regards
Kurt


Am 22.10.2008 um 09:53 schrieb Michael Welzl:

> I agree 100%, about both - charter and LETBET (which is my
> favorite name proposal)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 10:10 +0300, Salvatore Loreto wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I also think the charter is very well scoped.
>>
>> However I'd like to see the *multiple connections* work item  
>> elaborated
>> and explained a little bit more!
>>
>> about the name proposal both "LETBET (LEss Than Best Effort  
>> Transport)" and
>> "Scavenger Network Congestion Protocols" sound good proposal to me.
>>
>> /sal
>>
>> Michael Menth wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I also find the charter good and like Ingemar's name proposal  
>>> "LETBET
>>> (LEss Than Best Effort Transport)"
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Ingemar Johansson S wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Even though I understand that it is better to focus on the  
>>>> charter than
>>>> in the name I too beleieve that TANA does not say much.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that somewhere along the track and also in the charter  
>>>> the
>>>> term "less than best effort transmission" was/is mentioned
>>>> A possible name would then be
>>>> LETBET (LEss Than Best Effort Transport)
>>>>
>>>> That said... there are a whole bunch of WG names out there that  
>>>> at first
>>>> glance does not say anything about the group.
>>>> The charter looks OK from my perspective.
>>>>
>>>> /Ingemar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Ted Faber
>>>>> Sent: den 21 oktober 2008 18:51
>>>>> To: Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
>>>>> Cc: TSV Area; tana@ietf.org; p2pi@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:12:10AM -0500, Eddy, Wesley M.
>>>>> (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But if nobody else has a problem with the TANA name, I'll keep my
>>>>>> mouth shut so we don't waste time and energy.  There are
>>>>> bigger fish to fry!
>>>>>
>>>>> It should change.
>>>>>
>>>>> I care about congestion control and nothing in the expansion of  
>>>>> TANA
>>>>> indicated it was about congestion (to me).
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Ted Faber
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber           PGP:
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc
>>>>> Unexpected attachment on this mail? See
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> tana mailing list
>>>> tana@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> tana mailing list
>> tana@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tana mailing list
> tana@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana
>

---
Prof. Dr. Kurt Tutschku
Chair of Future Communication (Endowed by Telekom Austria)
Institute of Distributed and Multimedia Systems, Faculty of Computer  
Science
University of Vienna, Universitaetsstrasse 10/T11, 1090 Wien, Austria.

Tel: +43/1/4277-39611

mailto:kurt.tutschku@univie.ac.at or mailto:kurttutschku@gmail.com









_______________________________________________
p2pi mailing list
p2pi@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi