Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter

<toby.moncaster@bt.com> Thu, 23 October 2008 13:52 UTC

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Yes, that seems a much better name. Also really memorable which helps. I
think it can be traced back to Marshall Eubanks. As you say flow sounds
a bit limiting and so does file. On the other hand it bears its meaning
on its face so quibbles about what the FF stands for are probably just
distractions...

Toby 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Ford [mailto:baford@mpi-sws.org]
> Sent: 23 October 2008 13:55
> To: Moncaster,T,Toby,CXR9 R
> Cc: ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com; faber@ISI.EDU;
> Wesley.M.Eddy@nasa.gov; tsv-area@ietf.org; tana@ietf.org;
p2pi@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [tana] [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
> 
> On Oct 23, 2008, at 12:41 PM, <toby.moncaster@bt.com>
> <toby.moncaster@bt.com
>  > wrote:
> > LETBET doesn't seem to me quite right. It seems to imply the WG
would
> > only work on a very limited subset of work from its charter.
> >
> > Having said that I can't think off-hand of a name that does sum
> things
> > up. Was playing round with NASTY (network-aware scavenger transport)
> > but
> > that has the same problem as the above. I would love to fit it to
> > something like YIELD or GIVEWAY that sums up the idea in its
acronym.
> 
> I personally liked the suggestion someone else made earlier of "BACK-
> OFF" - meaning "Background Congestion Kontrol of File Flows" or
> something like that, wasn't it...?  (Maybe we could come up with an
> alternate word for the second 'F' that doesn't make it sound so
> narrowly scoped.)
> 
> Bryan
> 
> >
> >
> > Toby
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: p2pi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2pi-bounces@ietf.org] On
Behalf
> > Of
> >> Ingemar Johansson S
> >> Sent: 22 October 2008 06:49
> >> To: Ted Faber; Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
> >> Cc: p2pi@ietf.org; tana@ietf.org; TSV Area
> >> Subject: Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Even though I understand that it is better to focus on the charter
> > than
> >> in the name I too beleieve that TANA does not say much.
> >>
> >> I believe that somewhere along the track and also in the charter
the
> >> term "less than best effort transmission" was/is mentioned
> >> A possible name would then be
> >>
> >> LETBET (LEss Than Best Effort Transport)
> >>
> >> That said... there are a whole bunch of WG names out there that at
> >> first
> >> glance does not say anything about the group.
> >>
> >> The charter looks OK from my perspective.
> >>
> >> /Ingemar
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org
> >>> [mailto:tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted Faber
> >>> Sent: den 21 oktober 2008 18:51
> >>> To: Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
> >>> Cc: TSV Area; tana@ietf.org; p2pi@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:12:10AM -0500, Eddy, Wesley M.
> >>> (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote:
> >>>> But if nobody else has a problem with the TANA name, I'll keep my
> >>>> mouth shut so we don't waste time and energy.  There are
> >>> bigger fish to fry!
> >>>
> >>> It should change.
> >>>
> >>> I care about congestion control and nothing in the expansion
> >>> of TANA indicated it was about congestion (to me).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ted Faber
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