Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
Reinaldo Penno <rpenno@juniper.net> Wed, 22 October 2008 08:28 UTC
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:28:43 -0700
From: Reinaldo Penno <rpenno@juniper.net>
To: Michael Welzl <michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at>, tana@ietf.org, p2pi@ietf.org, tsv-area@ietf.org
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I'm not sure I'm reading the semantics of "Less than Best Effort" like other folks. 'Best Effort' has a well-defined semantics in the scope of Diffserv, including a code point of its own. Less than best effort seems we are defining a code point for such applications. Are we? The charter talks about 'end-to-end Diffserv'. End-to-end diffserv is a challenge on its own given ISP policies, etc. If the link is not saturated, are such application also treated as 'less than best effort' by still being DSCP marked and treated differently within routers? I would like if possible to decouple the 'less than best effort', as in diffserv, from the algorithm per se. Besides, there are ISPs that are worried about the effect that P2P have on other applications when the link is saturated, but otherwise they do not care. P2P would be treated like best effort in non-saturated situations (a more ECN type approach). Thanks, Reinaldo On 10/22/08 12:53 AM, "Michael Welzl" <michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at> wrote: > I agree 100%, about both - charter and LETBET (which is my > favorite name proposal) > > Cheers, > Michael > > > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 10:10 +0300, Salvatore Loreto wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I also think the charter is very well scoped. >> >> However I'd like to see the *multiple connections* work item elaborated >> and explained a little bit more! >> >> about the name proposal both "LETBET (LEss Than Best Effort Transport)" and >> "Scavenger Network Congestion Protocols" sound good proposal to me. >> >> /sal >> >> Michael Menth wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I also find the charter good and like Ingemar's name proposal "LETBET >>> (LEss Than Best Effort Transport)" >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> Ingemar Johansson S wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Even though I understand that it is better to focus on the charter than >>>> in the name I too beleieve that TANA does not say much. >>>> >>>> I believe that somewhere along the track and also in the charter the >>>> term "less than best effort transmission" was/is mentioned >>>> A possible name would then be >>>> LETBET (LEss Than Best Effort Transport) >>>> >>>> That said... there are a whole bunch of WG names out there that at first >>>> glance does not say anything about the group. >>>> The charter looks OK from my perspective. >>>> >>>> /Ingemar >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-bounces@ietf.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Ted Faber >>>>> Sent: den 21 oktober 2008 18:51 >>>>> To: Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] >>>>> Cc: TSV Area; tana@ietf.org; p2pi@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:12:10AM -0500, Eddy, Wesley M. >>>>> (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But if nobody else has a problem with the TANA name, I'll keep my >>>>>> mouth shut so we don't waste time and energy. There are >>>>> bigger fish to fry! >>>>> >>>>> It should change. >>>>> >>>>> I care about congestion control and nothing in the expansion of TANA >>>>> indicated it was about congestion (to me). >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ted Faber >>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: >>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc >>>>> Unexpected attachment on this mail? See >>>>> http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> tana mailing list >>>> tana@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tana mailing list >> tana@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana >> > > _______________________________________________ > tana mailing list > tana@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tana _______________________________________________ p2pi mailing list p2pi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Bruce Davie
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Joe Touch
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Joe Touch
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Salman Abdul Baset
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Murari Sridharan
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] [tana] TANA proposed charter Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Kurt Tutschku
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Michael Menth
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Michael Welzl
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Roland Bless
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Roland Bless
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Mark Allman
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Bryan Ford
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet marking qu… John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Livingood, Jason
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter -- packet… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Bruce Davie
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Robb Topolski