Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement
"Spencer Dawkins" <spencer@wonderhamster.org> Mon, 23 June 2008 16:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement
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For what it's worth... >> It is reasonable to expect P2P applications to learn how to use more >> than one remote peer at a time. Statistical information is never a >> guarantee that you'll see exactly the predicted situation. > > True, but unless the information is accurate much more often than not, > why bother designing a mechanism to provide it? Apps will just ignore it > then. This was actually the stake through the heart of TRIGTRAN, if anyone remembers that conversation - TCPs are complicated enough already, so if you have to treat non-loss indications as advisory, and you can figure out what the right answer is in a small number of RTTs without using the other indications anyway, the thought was that there wasn't enough reason for implementers to find TRIGTRAN interesting. > I question whether we actually can design an oracle that is right much > more often than wrong with regards to performance-related information. > Trying to answer this question as a research effort is very interesting, > doing standardization around it is IMO premature. You may very well be correct... :-) Spencer _______________________________________________ p2pi mailing list p2pi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi
- [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardization in… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Livingood, Jason
- [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [Was: … Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… stefano previdi
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Richard Bennett
- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… stefano previdi
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Robert Snively
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement stefano previdi
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Lars Eggert