Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (alto)

"Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com> Thu, 23 October 2008 19:31 UTC

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>The question is the simpler coordinate: "who's MY resolver and who else uses it".

This is an interesting idea.

One perhaps obvious thought. I wouldn't use the IP address as the sole identifier of the DNS resolver. Lots of hosts on different networks are likely to use 192.168.x.1 as their DNS resolver, eg their home gateway. :)

-- Rich


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To: Vijay K. Gurbani <vkg@alcatel-lucent.com>
Cc: p2pi@ietf.org <p2pi@ietf.org>; Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (alto)

Ono is leveraging off Akamai's DNS information:  You do a few queries  
to akamai'ed (and other CDN'ed) domains, and use the results as a  
coordinate space.

The question is the simpler coordinate: "who's MY resolver and who  
else uses it".



On Oct 21, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote:

> Nicholas Weaver wrote:
>> Hey, stupid thought...
>> Could you do proximity based on "who's your DNS resolver"?  Do a  
>> few name lookups: one to register YOU as using YOUR DNS resolver to  
>> the remote coordinator, and one to get "who are other peers using  
>> the same resolver"?
>> An ugly, UGLY hack, but it might be interesting to think about.
>> Has anyone done this already?
>
> Doesn't Ono [1] do that?  Or am I missing something?  CDNs also
> use DNS redirects to redirect clients to nearest servers.
>
> [1] David R. Choffnes and Fabián E. Bustamante. Taming the Torrent:
>    A practical approach to reducing cross-ISP traffic in P2P
>    systems, Proc. of ACM SIGCOMM 2008, August 2008.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - vijay
> -- 
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> 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60566 (USA)
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